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ddann said:
LOL. Lessons? We're having a discussion about perceptions over something that happened almost 30 years ago.
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I was never a Huge fan of Erickson's Offense...and the fact he Won 2 NCs with JJs kids...By the end of 92...JJs kids were gone...No JJ kids against Bama...or Nebraska in 94/95....Recruiting fell off a cliff from 91-94 compared to what was left for DE....
 
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caneinorlando said:
That's one game....Go watch the umpteen other Huge games where he Riddled Great Secondarys...One Bad game vs a Bunch of Great Games....
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UF 1985, UT 1985... I will always believe we win titles in 85 and 86 with Bernie in there.
 
caneinorlando said:
Testeverde had 46,000 Passing yds too Kellys 35,000....Vinnie had 275 TDs...too Kellys 235...Kelly went to a much better organization than Vinnie did...In 96 Vinnie took the Jets to the AFC Championship Game...
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From his first starting snap at Miami Vinnie screamed NFL QB. He was that physically gifted. If anyone told me that Kosar could make it in the NFL for more than a season I would of laughed in their face.
 
rex karz said:
From his first starting snap at Miami Vinnie screamed NFL QB. He was that physically gifted. If anyone told me that Kosar could make it in the NFL for more than a season I would of laughed in their face.
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Bernie came an Elway 1:30 last minute TD drive...and a Earnest Byner fumble (Walking into the EZ) from going to 2 SBs though...
 
caneinorlando said:
Testeverdes NFL Stats are better than any UM QB including Kelly....and Testerverde has a SB Ring (backup) with the Cowboys....
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Why isn't he in the hof if his stats were/are better than kellys.and don't blame the team he was on.Archie manning was on a sorry saints team.he still got a hof jacket.
 
Twhizman said:
Why isn't he in the hof if his stats were/are better than kellys.and don't blame the team he was on.Archie manning was on a sorry saints team.he still got a hof jacket.
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Don't blame the 80s Bucs??....Lol...Gotcha..
Kelly went to the NFLs Best Organization AFTER his USFL FB League yrs....Huge difference...Look at the Bills talent in the 90s compared to the Bucs and Jets...When you have Thurman Thomas...Andre Reed...James Loften...and a Defense with Bruce Smith...Cornelius Bennett..& Daryl Talley, that Absolutely Sh*ts on Anything Testeverde had in Tampa & NY....Not to mention Marv Levy, with Polian in the front office...
 
caneinorlando said:
Don't blame the 80s Bucs??....Lol...Gotcha..
Kelly went to the NFLs Best Organization AFTER his USFL FB League yrs....Huge difference...Look at the Bills talent in the 90s compared to the Bucs and Jets...When you have Thurman Thomas...Andre Reed...James Loften...and a Defense with Bruce Smith...Cornelius Bennett..& Daryl Talley, that Absolutely Sh*ts on Anything Testeverde had in Tampa & NY....Not to mention Marv Levy, with Polian in the front office...
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That's why I used Archie manning as an example.he too played on a very bad saints team but he still made the hof.you have to admit in 81 if Jim Kelly wasn't our qb we wouldn't have done as good record wise.like some compare Brady vs montana.Brady has the championships but I doubt if he went a mid d level nfl team hed lead them to the playoffs like Montana did at Kansas city.
 
Twhizman said:
That's why I used Archie manning as an example.he too played on a very bad saints team but he still made the hof.you have to admit in 81 if Jim Kelly wasn't our qb we wouldn't have done as good record wise.like some compare Brady vs montana.Brady has the championships but I doubt if he went a mid d level nfl team hed lead them to the playoffs like Montana did at Kansas city.
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Mannings Saints teams were better than Testerverdes Bucs teams...Testeverde went 12-1 with the Jets in 98...and 10-6 in 01...
Threw for 4,100 yds one yr...and had 33 TDs in a yr...m
 
caneinorlando said:
Mannings Saints teams were better than Testerverdes Bucs teams...Testeverde went 12-1 with the Jets in 98...and 10-6 in 01...
Threw for 4,100 yds one yr...and had 33 TDs in a yr...m
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I'm not say testaverde isn't good.yes hes one of the best we've had.shame he wasted all that time with the bucs.I should say the bucs wasted testaverde time there.any decent owner or coach would've tried to get better players around a good qb like he was.
 
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Vinny was great. But his NFL stats are a reflection of the fact that he was a rare physical specimen that could hang around the league for 20 years. Not many guys can do that.

We all love Vinny. But those of us who have been around a while are scarred for life by his bowl game performances with titles on the line. That’s just how it is.
 
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caneinorlando said:
Enough to Beat them....(those FSU teams were Savage) the 89 team lost too FSU....The 89 UM Defense was no sloutch...
But the 91 Offense and Defense were both better than the 89 Off & Def....
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89 team was missing Erickson when the lost at FSU. Gino’s first start - tough one.
 
caneinorlando said:
Testeverde had 46,000 Passing yds too Kellys 35,000....Vinnie had 275 TDs...too Kellys 235...Kelly went to a much better organization than Vinnie did...In 96 Vinnie took the Jets to the AFC Championship Game...
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Even though I’m a Bucs fan I wish Vinny had gone to a team with a solid coach and organization.

One not lead by GM-HC-OC Ray Perkins.
 
caneinorlando said:
Point is...That FSU team was good...
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It was a good FSU team and it was the old Doak, at night. Gino wasn't ready for that, that loss the way it happened was understandable. Would have still liked our chances if Craig Erickson hadn't been out, though.
 
LPK2006 said:
It was a good FSU team and it was the old Doak, at night. Gino wasn't ready for that, that loss the way it happened was understandable. Would have still liked our chances if Craig Erickson hadn't been out, though.
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That game never should’ve been lost. Canes kept turning the ball over deep in the FSU red zone. Like you said, Gino wasn’t ready. The voters recognized that when Erickson came back from injury later.
 
SinisterCane said:
Delete this ****
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Why, let him have the attention he lacked as a child and possibly through his adult life now. He posts that knowingly to get a response like yours and others.

The pass though, great, an underthrown ball. Consider me unimpressed.

Back on topic, pocket passer to me doesn't mean that they can't run. To me, that is VinT. When asked and able to stand there and deliver, he's who I would roll with.
 
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ddann said:
Vinny was great. But his NFL stats are a reflection of the fact that he was a rare physical specimen that could hang around the league for 20 years. Not many guys can do that.

We all love Vinny. But those of us who have been around a while are scarred for life by his bowl game performances with titles on the line. That’s just how it is.
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What an enigma.

With Tennessee, we never made adjustments to all the blitzing and against PSU, although outgaining them 3 to 1, he threw 5 picks.
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caneinorlando said:
Point is...That FSU team was good...
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Oh yes. No argument. Would the Canes have won at Tally had Erickson not been injured? Who knows.

I missed the days when the UM-FSU game meant the winner was in the NC hunt. These days I’m hoping Diaz gets Miami back in top shape and the Canes crush the Noles a few times. Payback for a few ugly losses under Shannon and Golden.
 
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