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Becks INT..

LuCane said:
Wasn’t even his worse throw of the night. Really rough game. This is the version of Beck I really struggled to watch last year. It’s like watching the bad version of Jared Goff. Feet get stuck on his spot and he’s late to pop off and make a decisive throw. He did it often late last season, which is what I previously mentioned. Hope he doesn’t freeze against 2-deep Safeties the way TVD did his last season here.
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If we would run pistol and ACTUAL play action, I'd be a lot more confident in Beck for the full season.

With this current run game the most critical thing that we need is explosive plays. Clearly with how we are running our offense we can't expect them out of the run game. They need to come out of the pass game. We don't neccessarily need like 35+ yard bombs, but we need to be able to attack 10-20 yards, and the best way to do that ESPECIALLY with our run game is Play Action. Against ND we passed 30 times with only 5 being PA. Against USF we passed 28 times with 10 being PA. Will be interested to see what it is for this game.

I do think Beck and Goff have a lot of similarities just in terms of their strengths and weaknesses. But Goff is ******* Dominant on Play Action passes. I already think PA out of shotgun is garbage. But last year we started going Pistol a lot, and I think we need to get back to that...

He'll have a couple games where he plays like crap. For the most part I think he'll play good though. UF had a bad pass rush, but for the most part they've been good defensively this season.
 
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It's a 6-Dig Dagger concept from Trips Left.

The WR is SUPPOSED to climb because its a climbing route. Once he gets 10-14yds of depth at the top of his stem, he supposed to break towards the center of the field.

The progression on that read is X,Y (option), F & then H/T.

When the QB climbs the pocket & has time to throw, he's got at least 3 options to take if the Safety is covering the 3rd middle shell.

UF is pre snap single-High, they drop 7 & are playing a simple Cover 3; He could’ve either
- Kept it & ran the ball
- Threw it to the F backside left hashes
- "cHecK tHe bALL dOwn!" to the H running an out to the Flats

Or...

Actually put the ball out in front of the WR.

That's the kinda throw that requires a different kinda arm. I think I remember a QB who made that same throw before, but the name escapes me...

But if you're trying to put that on the WR, you're just flat out incorrect.
 
Memnon said:
It's a 6-Dig Dagger concept from Trips Left.

The WR is SUPPOSED to climb because its a climbing route. Once he gets 10-14yds of depth at the top of his stem, he supposed to break towards the center of the field.

The progression on that read is X,Y (option), F & then H/T.

When the QB climbs the pocket & has time to throw, he's got at least 3 options to take if the Safety is covering the 3rd middle shell.

UF is pre snap single-High, they drop 7 & are playing a simple Cover 3; He could’ve either
- Kept it & ran the ball
- Threw it to the F backside left hashes
- "cHecK tHe bALL dOwn!" to the H running an out to the Flats

Or...

Actually put the ball out in front of the WR.

That's the kinda throw that requires a different kinda arm. I think I remember a QB who made that same throw before, but the name escapes me...

But if you're trying to put that on the WR, you're just flat out incorrect.
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Off platform, no drive
 
I mean the pick was obviously on Beck. I probably would have said he should have taken the check down to RB leaking out. Every time we hit to the RB on a dumpoff the picked up our biggest gains through "the air" today. Beck had a bad game, period.

We have to be able to get explosives through the air. Gotta step up against FSU.
 
Memnon said:
It's a 6-Dig Dagger concept from Trips Left.

The WR is SUPPOSED to climb because its a climbing route. Once he gets 10-14yds of depth at the top of his stem, he supposed to break towards the center of the field.

The progression on that read is X,Y (option), F & then H/T.

When the QB climbs the pocket & has time to throw, he's got at least 3 options to take if the Safety is covering the 3rd middle shell.

UF is pre snap single-High, they drop 7 & are playing a simple Cover 3; He could’ve either
- Kept it & ran the ball
- Threw it to the F backside left hashes
- "cHecK tHe bALL dOwn!" to the H running an out to the Flats

Or...

Actually put the ball out in front of the WR.

That's the kinda throw that requires a different kinda arm. I think I remember a QB who made that same throw before, but the name escapes me...

But if you're trying to put that on the WR, you're just flat out incorrect.
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I appreciate the breakdown. I mentioned earlier I overstated it being on the WR. For me, it’s on both. Not sure how the coaches will see it. My opinion is irrelevant.
 
Memnon said:
It's a 6-Dig Dagger concept from Trips Left.

The WR is SUPPOSED to climb because its a climbing route. Once he gets 10-14yds of depth at the top of his stem, he supposed to break towards the center of the field.

The progression on that read is X,Y (option), F & then H/T.

When the QB climbs the pocket & has time to throw, he's got at least 3 options to take if the Safety is covering the 3rd middle shell.

UF is pre snap single-High, they drop 7 & are playing a simple Cover 3; He could’ve either
- Kept it & ran the ball
- Threw it to the F backside left hashes
- "cHecK tHe bALL dOwn!" to the H running an out to the Flats

Or...

Actually put the ball out in front of the WR.

That's the kinda throw that requires a different kinda arm. I think I remember a QB who made that same throw before, but the name escapes me...

But if you're trying to put that on the WR, you're just flat out incorrect.
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Emory woulda made that throw.
 
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Memnon said:
It's a 6-Dig Dagger concept from Trips Left.

The WR is SUPPOSED to climb because its a climbing route. Once he gets 10-14yds of depth at the top of his stem, he supposed to break towards the center of the field.

The progression on that read is X,Y (option), F & then H/T.

When the QB climbs the pocket & has time to throw, he's got at least 3 options to take if the Safety is covering the 3rd middle shell.

UF is pre snap single-High, they drop 7 & are playing a simple Cover 3; He could’ve either
- Kept it & ran the ball
- Threw it to the F backside left hashes
- "cHecK tHe bALL dOwn!" to the H running an out to the Flats

Or...

Actually put the ball out in front of the WR.

That's the kinda throw that requires a different kinda arm. I think I remember a QB who made that same throw before, but the name escapes me...

But if you're trying to put that on the WR, you're just flat out incorrect.
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He should have taken the checkdown but was going for the big play...













dave chappelle what GIF
 
LuCane said:
Wasn’t even his worse throw of the night. Really rough game. This is the version of Beck I really struggled to watch last year. It’s like watching the bad version of Jared Goff. Feet get stuck on his spot and he’s late to pop off and make a decisive throw. He did it often late last season, which is what I previously mentioned. Hope he doesn’t freeze against 2-deep Safeties the way TVD did his last season here.
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We could help him a little more.
 
Calinative said:
If we would run pistol and ACTUAL play action, I'd be a lot more confident in Beck for the full season.

With this current run game the most critical thing that we need is explosive plays. Clearly with how we are running our offense we can't expect them out of the run game. They need to come out of the pass game. We don't neccessarily need like 35+ yard bombs, but we need to be able to attack 10-20 yards, and the best way to do that ESPECIALLY with our run game is Play Action. Against ND we passed 30 times with only 5 being PA. Against USF we passed 28 times with 10 being PA. Will be interested to see what it is for this game.

I do think Beck and Goff have a lot of similarities just in terms of their strengths and weaknesses. But Goff is ******* Dominant on Play Action passes. I already think PA out of shotgun is garbage. But last year we started going Pistol a lot, and I think we need to get back to that...

He'll have a couple games where he plays like crap. For the most part I think he'll play good though. UF had a bad pass rush, but for the most part they've been good defensively this season.
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Agreed, last year 28% of our pass attempts were play action but majority of them are just shotgun play actions where you aren’t really selling the run like a under center or pistol like you said

I have been saying it for years that dawson is a really good oc, his play sequencing and designs, situational awareness, he gives his QBs answers, he knows how to create advantages in the run game like tonight, all of that is really good. But he doesn’t marry the run game and the pass game together well like the elite OCs

Its not like he can’t build a good run or pass game, he has done both here but as far as meshing them together? Average, its like they’re separate from each other most times.

He asks alot of his QBs pre and post snap, alot of pure drop backs with real passing concepts, he said himself his offense will only be as good as the QB is. Thats because you have to process alot, if he had the play action layer it would provide easier answers and take alot off the QBs mind. We saw the worst of it with tvd, the best with cam, i think we’re seeing the in between of those two with beck
 
Calinative said:
If we would run pistol and ACTUAL play action, I'd be a lot more confident in Beck for the full season.

With this current run game the most critical thing that we need is explosive plays. Clearly with how we are running our offense we can't expect them out of the run game. They need to come out of the pass game. We don't neccessarily need like 35+ yard bombs, but we need to be able to attack 10-20 yards, and the best way to do that ESPECIALLY with our run game is Play Action. Against ND we passed 30 times with only 5 being PA. Against USF we passed 28 times with 10 being PA. Will be interested to see what it is for this game.

I do think Beck and Goff have a lot of similarities just in terms of their strengths and weaknesses. But Goff is ******* Dominant on Play Action passes. I already think PA out of shotgun is garbage. But last year we started going Pistol a lot, and I think we need to get back to that...

He'll have a couple games where he plays like crap. For the most part I think he'll play good though. UF had a bad pass rush, but for the most part they've been good defensively this season.
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it's really surprising to me that we haven't done more work from under center this year, being that it's something beck did plenty of at georgia. i suppose it may not really be in dawson's bag, and i don't know enough about offensive design to know how easy or difficult it would be to bring under-center looks into the passing concepts that dawson runs.
 
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Memnon said:
WR runs the route the way its coached.

QB makes the bad decision & doesn’t have good ball placement on the throw.

WR gets blamed.

Smh lol

Threads like this is why I stopped arguing with people on here. A lot of yall genuinely don't have a clue as to what you're watching.
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Only thing I'd say I would've liked to see out of Daniels on that play is him helping his QB out and atleast TRYING to break that ball up. Throw was a horrible one by beck. He was shook all night. But same way the receiver needs to rely on ball placement by beck, beck also needs to rely on the effort in all instances of the receiver.
 
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