BCS vs CFP 11/12/19

[jsm1399]

And what does Minnesota or Utah have on their resume to deserve a spot up to now? Do you actually know the scores of Minnesota’s schedule or you just hating on Bama a bit..are you just tired of seeing Bama?

Uh well let’s see Minnesota is undefeated and just took down #4 Penn State. That’s certainly better than anything Bama has done. Utah has beat a ranked team in Arizona State, equivalent to Bama beating A&M, and has more quality wins vs .500+ teams and if they were to win out they’d have a win against a top 10 team in Oregon along with being the Pac 12 champ. That’s certainly better than anything Bama has done.

 

[MichiCANE]

I don't see Miami in the top 5, therefore both lists are invalid. Therefore I will stick with my rankings:

1. LSU
2. OSU
3. Minnesota
4. Miami
5. Clemson

 

[dk72]

Bcs is far more accurate. What sucked was only two teams. If the bcs led to a 4 team playoff it would never be wrong. Never ever.

Agreed. Not sure why they decided that if they are going to have a playoff, they have to have a "selection committee". All they had to do was use the BCS as the basis for the top 4 (or preferably, top 8).

 

[ThomasM]

Who should keep Bama out of the top 4?..if you even suggest Utah, Minnesota ? Let Minnesota beat Ohio State before they can even get mentioned even if they are undefeated

Then shouldn't Alabama have to beat an Ohio State as well?

 

[dk72]

Have you watched both teams? Do you think Minnesota is better than Alabama..unless u just hating on Bama nobody outside of the state of Minnesota believes the golphers have looked better than Bama ..nobody said anything about recruiting rankings..only 4 teams get in. Therefore make it the best 4..if bamas only blemish is LSU, Who is the number 1 ranked team, losing by 5, then yes I’d put them in before a 1 loss Minnesota. Unless Minnesota runs the table and beats OSU..if both teams presumably have 1 loss, Bama should be in..no chance for Utah..

So far Bama's defense has looked suspect. They aren't the same Alabama of the past few years...but their name is all that matters to most.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

Bama should be punished for that awful schedule

LSU at least played Texas
Georgia at least played ND

Have you seen what Clemson has on their schedule? It's almost criminal the conference schedule they play every year.

 

[JBCanes-NC]

Okla lost to Kansas st Baylor beat the **** out of Kansas st but yet Okla ranked higher than Baylor. It's all rigged anyway

Oklahoma lost to K. State.

 

[Caneadian]

How is Ga this high. They lost to a 4-6 ,team at home.

I will never understand this. Them at 4 is like saying. Losing to South Carolina doesnt count. You are in the playoff. Oregon, Minny, OU, even Penn St ? Why are not they 4? I'll answer. Because they arent in the SEC. Plain and Simple

 

[cf3000]

The SEC: Our losses don't count.

 

[JBCanes-NC]

Minnesota will lose at Iowa this week so stop crying about them.

 

[dk72]

Minnesota will lose at Iowa this week so stop crying about them.

If they do, then they do, and it settles things. But ranking teams based on what you THINK will happen instead of what actually happened is not particularly fair to a team. Especially when certain teams/conferences always get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[blushrts]

Bama lost to the only good team they played. And the game wasn’t as close as the scoreboard at the end.

Texas AM would be the best team Alabama played and beat. At this point they are living on their past reputation. Alabama’s defense put up less of a fight than BYU, Utah State, Florida, Auburn, Texas, and Mississippi state did against LSU’s offense.

This. Alabama is being overrated because of past seasons. They haven't beaten anyone and that game wasn't close until the end. So if Georgia beats LSU, do we have 3 teams from the SEC in the playoff? You don't win your conference championship, let alone even play in it, you shouldn't get in.

 

[streetja]

So far Bama's defense has looked suspect. They aren't the same Alabama of the past few years...but their name is all that matters to most.

100% this dude himself hasn't watched either of the teams games.

Bama's D as you say looks entirely suspect and none of their best wins even look dominant. They're 4-5 against the spread this year.

 

[streetja]

If they do, then they do, and it settles things. But ranking teams based on what you THINK will happen instead of what actually happened is not particularly fair to a team. Especially when certain teams/conferences always get the benefit of the doubt.

Nope! These guys are in the future telling business! They're not worried about today.

 

[dk72]

Nope! These guys are in the future telling business! They're not worried about today.

I've always also found it ridiculous when "experts" start ranking teams and explain their rankings are based in part on the upcoming games and the expected outcome. I've literally heard people on t.v. state that they rank team X at Y level because they don't see any losses upcoming in the remaining schedule, so they expect the team will be undefeated at the end of the year.

How about rank the team based on what they've done, not what you think they might do. If they later do what you thought, then update the ranking.

 

[305to954]

I’m against Undefeated > 1 loss team as a blank statement, but I do think this year is fair to have the discussion. I think the most talented team vs the team that has a better record argument is a lot like the MOST valuable player vs the best player discussion.

Bama is more talented than Minn, Baylor and Utah, but I don’t think they are having a better football season, Bama is killing teams they should kill and lost to the team that was their match AT HOME by 12 points (DB letting the WR get behind him was lunacy). I don’t think we can say Bama is what it was 4 years ago, UGA was beating the life out them 2 years ago, Clemson dominated them last year and now they lost soundly to LSU, Obviously they’re a top 5 team in terms of quality, but they're not performing at the level we assume they should. UGA being top 4 is pathetic, they are a worse version of Alabama, they will get boatraced by LSU on the SECCG.

I think the PAC-12 champion, Utah or Oregon, should be in this year, unless the champion has 2 losses, there’s really no argument for leaving them out again. If Baylor wins the B12 they would have a claim to make too, the problem honestly is OU, they’re a looking fraudulent af this year, they got outscored BY 20 in the 4Q against ISU team AT HOME.

this is my thing tho, why is Bama only held to this notion “They are not playing at a high enough level”? We assume they should be when they are beating teams on they’re conference schedule by 3 or more scores..then ppl say oh they don’t play nobody OOC..but When Minnesota is beating South Dakota st by 7..Georgia southern by 3..Fresno by 3..3 weak OOC teams you don’t hear the same argument. Utah lost to a sorry USC team..imagine if Alabama had a 3 point win against Tenn, 7 point win vs mizzu, a 3 point win vs southern miss. and won a close game vs LSU, you can’t tell me with a straight face Bama haters wouldn’t banging the table about those close calls..

now if we can assume that UGA, Bama, Utah, Minnesota, Baylor, and OU all end up with one loss, you have to look at who they beat. Quality wins and all others. ALL OTHERS. So assuming Bama goes on and beats Aurburn and finishes with the only loss being to LSU (who they only lost to by 5 in a epic game) you put that loss next to the other one loss teams Alabama should get more reprieve for that. As should any team in that situation. Next you look at the eye test.

 

[305to954]

There is no such thing as "quality losses". We can compare wins against wins, but don't compare one team's win to another team's loss.

And how did you get fixated on Utah when Oregon is ranked higher and will be the favorite to win the Pac 12?

if there’s no such thing as a quality loss, then their should be no such thing as a quality win. Just base it on who wins and who loses right? If a team beats who is on their schedule that should be the end of the debate. Nobody should ever bring up strength of schedule.. But nobody thinks that way lol

We are talking about who will make it in...when the teams in discussion all have 1 loss (presuming Minnesota doesn’t run the table)U certainly look at the wins and the loss. I’m saying Utah because someone brought up Utah. Both still have to play.

 

[PanamaCityCanes]

if there’s no such thing as a quality loss, then their should be no such thing as a quality win. Just base it on who wins and who loses right? If a team beats who is on their schedule that should be the end of the debate. Nobody should ever bring up strength of schedule.. But nobody thinks that way lol

This is silly. Anyone could lose to LSU. Anyone could lose to Clemson. Losing doesn't get you any points. Beating good teams is what impresses people. When people talk about strength of schedule, we want to know the good teams that someone beat. I mean, look at Texas A&M's schedule. Why should they get credit just for losing to the good teams?

We are talking about who will make it in...when the teams in discussion all have 1 loss (presuming Minnesota doesn’t run the table)U certainly look at the wins and the loss. I’m saying Utah because someone brought up Utah. Both still have to play.

If Oregon or Utah make it in, it will be because of their wins, not their losses.

 

[305to954]

So far Bama's defense has looked suspect. They aren't the same Alabama of the past few years...but their name is all that matters to most.

So why you only holding Bama to the standards of years past?? Why are we only judging Bama in this imaginary top 4 standard that nobody bring ups with anyone else. I’m certainly not going off name value. If Bama was squeaking by the likes of South Dakota st, Fresno, losing to USC etc I’d hold it against them. I agree Bama D is not what it has been but they are still dominating everyone on their schedule, in conference and outta. It’s about taking the best 4 for the playoffs at the end.

 

[305to954]

This is silly. Anyone could lose to LSU. Anyone could lose to Clemson. Losing doesn't get you any points. Beating good teams is what impresses people. When people talk about strength of schedule, we want to know the good teams that someone beat. I mean, look at Texas A&M's schedule. Why should they get credit just for losing to the good teams?



If Oregon or Utah make it in, it will be because of their wins, not their losses.

the bolded is my point..and Oregon and Utah’s wins and the fashion they have won does not impress me. If and when Bama goes out and smashes AU how will that impressive Oregon win look then? If Bama was squeaking by the teams Oregon, Minnesota, Utah were you’d hold it against them I’m sure..all in all it’s a lot of Bama fatigue. That’s natural. I’m about seeing the best 4 get in. And if that means a 1 loss Bama then I’m for it