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Barry Article on Rosier (mechanics)

TrueFloridian said:
1# The refs gave Wisconsin that game. I was there. It was over at halftime if it wasn't for the non PI AND holding call that ended in the INT. Richt is one of the most composed coaches ever. The fact he grabbed a ref says it all.

#2 I think Rosier is better for this team than Brad ever was. Brad would be MUCH better with an elite OL. Brad is so close to Dorsey. He had a better arm but isn't quite as smart or determined. Brad lacked swag. Swag made the less talented Dorsey a legend. That's what UM is all about.
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.bard.kaayak is nothing like Dorsey. That's borderline heresy.

Just watch vids of them both dropping back from under center and that's all you need to know.
 
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KevinCaneFace said:
Here’s my sad story. I became a Miami fan as a little kid but i always lived out of town. Now as an adult in 2007, I wanted to go to one game in the Orange Bowl before they shut it down

So here I was for the first time watching my favorite team live in person. Miami vs NC State 2007

Let the tears flow....😭
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Better times are ahead brother.
 
His mechanics are often poor and it's a good thing that he's taken steps to fix the problems. The thing is, most of the time people revert back to bad habits once the bullets start flying. How many quarterback gurus have worked with Tim Teabag? Dude still can't throw for ****. It's not a out completion percentage or completing two more throws a game. It's about being accurate with your ball placement. Hitting receivers in stride instead of making them stop and adjust to poorly thrown balls. Not throwing a bubble at the receiver's shoes and behind him would be a good place to start.
 
More consistent and less streaky and we’re good. I feel better about him going into this year than last, that’s for sure.
 
Cane Dynasty said:
.bard.kaayak is nothing like Dorsey. That's borderline heresy.

Just watch vids of them both dropping back from under center and that's all you need to know.
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I did go back and watch tape. Dorsey had to torque his body as hard as possible to throw a medium out. Brad was more accurate and it was effortless. The difference is Ken stood in the pocket and took a hit without blinking. Brad closed his eyes before he released the ball when he saw a hit coming. You give Brad an elite OL with those weapons and he could’ve been on that level. Ken played with 1st round picks and HOF players. Brad had a Dorito defense backing him up also.
I was never a fan of Brad. You have to be fair though. You’re talking about very different situations. That’s why I still believe Rosier is a better fit for this team than Brad ever was.
 
Cane_Mutiny said:
Most astoundingly bad football game I've ever seen
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I was at that game. It was every bit as bad as that article describes. Despite Kirby’s ineptitude, they actually still had a chance to win. They drove right down the field without throwing a pass on their final drive in regulation. They had first and goal. I think they ran for a short gain on first down, and then Shannon decided to throw consecutive endzone fades to Sam Shields. Both attempts fell incomplete because Shields is like 5’10” and Freeman was Freeman. They settled for the field goal and lost in OT to a very ****** NC State game. Kirby Freeman was without a doubt the worst QB to start more than one game for the University of Miami.
 
TrueFloridian said:
I did go back and watch tape. Dorsey had to torque his body as hard as possible to throw a medium out. Brad was more accurate and it was effortless. The difference is Ken stood in the pocket and took a hit without blinking. Brad closed his eyes before he released the ball when he saw a hit coming. You give Brad an elite OL with those weapons and he could’ve been on that level. Ken played with 1st round picks and HOF players. Brad had a Dorito defense backing him up also.
I was never a fan of Brad. You have to be fair though. You’re talking about very different situations. That’s why I still believe Rosier is a better fit for this team than Brad ever was.
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Some guys are competitors and winners and other guys are just athletes. That's one of the key differences between a Ken Dorsey and a Brad Kaaya.

Anybody have a clip of the sideline speech Dorsey was giving the team on the sideline in the second half vs FSU in '02 before leading a come from behind victory? That's what Dorsey had that Brad didn't.

Sure, Kaaya would've put up more wins with a better supporting cast. But the contrast is about a lot more than just the supporting cast.
 
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ddann said:
Some guys are competitors and winners and other guys are just athletes. That's one of the key differences between a Ken Dorsey and a Brad Kaaya.

Anybody have a clip of the sideline speech Dorsey was giving the team on the sideline in the second half vs FSU in '02 before leading a come from behind victory? That's what Dorsey had that Brad didn't.

Sure, Kaaya would've put up more wins with a better supporting cast. But the contrast is about a lot more than just the supporting cast.
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IF you read the first post I said that. Ken had swag, Brad didn't. I agree.
 
Rosier's mobility and downfield running ability added a significant new aspect to Miami's offense that is regularly jumped over to get at perceived shortcomings. Countless times last season he made runs at critical points in games that proved to be the difference in winning and losing. Also, the kid has ice water running through his veins that allows him to stay confident/cool during the most nerve-wracking parts of games. That confidence rubs off on the whole team.
 
KrazyCane said:
True but my point is that 2 more completions per game wouldn’t have equaled more wins last season. Kaaya was good for throwing pointless completions only for the punt team to end up on the field at the end of the drive.

Rosier will improve and needed to but so did the Oline and the WRs.... Richards and other WRs dropped several easy passes last year that brought down Rosiers completion percentage as well.

He’s a winner and when it’s time to win Rosier is who I want at Qb... especially if we comparing Kaaya?? Coach Richt prefers Rosier over Kaaya bc Rosier is coachable, Kaaya cried and left early bc Richt was tired of his soft shxt. Then told Rosier he would never play but Rosier Got to work and proved him wrong.

Seriously some of the ppl on this board are crazier than me with these hot takes.
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If you're going to ignore Comp%, well his INT% was also atrocious, as was his Yards/Attempt.
Statistically the only thing he did well was score TDs.
 
PlanoCane said:
WTF next he will walk on water. Players in highschool see QB guru's all the time now these days. People are reaching to find hope. What's with the insanity he is what he is not highly recruited and in 5 yrs leaves me scratching my head on why people who really know football are drinking the Kool aid. Kaaya and Morris any day.
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Oh sweet, we have Kaaya and Morris to choose from? We’re fcking set!

Maybe people are “drinking the coolaide” because Rosier is what we have and they don’t feel like being miserable a-holes all of the time. If we lose a stupid game or two there will be plenty of time to complain, but I don’t get the point in doing it now.

Also: if Rosier can get it done this year, I will pledge to shout down and possibly punch anyone who wants to talk about why it took him so long. Seriously, the only thing any of us should care about is him doing it this year.
 
ShadowSpring said:
Actually Kaaya's 2016 season compares favorably to any QB we've ever had statistically. Only Ken Dorsey and Vinny had a season with a higher QB rating (150.3) and they were on top 3 teams. Secondly, he did it with a pathetic OL. He was literally getting killed in the 4 game losing streak.

62% 3532 yds 27 TD 7 INT
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BK was good in 2016. And before everyone forgets, he did lead a drive against FSU that would have at least put us in OT had our supposedly great placekicker been able to convert an extra point.
 
TrueFloridian said:
1# Brad is so close to Dorsey. He had a better arm but isn't quite as smart or determined. Brad lacked swag. Swag made the less talented Dorsey a legend. That's what UM is all about.
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That's not saying a ton. Dorsey didn't have a strong arm at all tbh ... I literally cannot count the amount of times I sat in the OB and Dorsey gave it all he had and still underthrew receivers by 5 yards.

Dorsey played on phenomenal teams. He didn't have to be a great passer, he just had to be smart and he was. Dorsey 100% made up for his lack of arm talent by being a master of managing the game and he was a leader. He was cool under fire and he rarely gave the ball away. Plus, I feel like Dorsey's receivers knew about his limitations and made the appropriate adjustments. They would frequently come back and catch those underthrows and the ones they didn't catch often resulted in flags.

Still probably my favorite UM quarterback.
 
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FtMyersCane said:
That's not saying a ton. Dorsey didn't have a strong arm at all tbh ... I literally cannot count the amount of times I sat in the OB and Dorsey gave it all he had and still underthrew receivers by 5 yards.

Dorsey played on phenomenal teams. He didn't have to be a great passer, he just had to be smart and he was. Dorsey 100% made up for his lack of arm talent by being a master of managing the game and he was a leader. He was cool under fire and he rarely gave the ball away. Plus, I feel like Dorsey's receivers knew about his limitations and made the appropriate adjustments. They would frequently come back and catch those underthrows and the ones they didn't catch often resulted in flags.

Still probably my favorite UM quarterback.
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I believe you have Dorsey confused with Kelly, I remember our receivers having to adjust to Kelly's throws more than anything.

Dorsey also had brass balls, go back and look at most of those throws He made during the game winning drive vs FSU in 2K.

Now I don't say all this to say that Kelly wasn't talented, He definitely was, but Dorsey was a perfect fit for what we were trying to do on O at the time.
 
Cribby said:
The mechanics was one of his biggest issues , they could be messy at times.

I don’t know why he waited to hear five to try to fix , maybe he figured he’d never start here. And was ok with that.

If he can just become a little more consistent , without the ints we’ll be just fine. Manage the show and get the ball to all those studs we have on O.

No qb in the country has more toys.
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He needs to improve his vision and anticipation as well. With good QB play we are a playoff team. Weapons all over the field on O.
nycane said:
costa would have won a NC for this program if our defense didnt let Tommy Frazier make a second half comeback
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No. Not only did we need to beat Nebraska, we needed other help as well, which didn’t happen.
 
Cribby said:
The mechanics was one of his biggest issues , they could be messy at times.

I don’t know why he waited to hear five to try to fix , maybe he figured he’d never start here. And was ok with that.
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Maybe because last year was His 1st full year as a starter, hence His off-season QB coach had more tape to examine His mechanics?

The bigger question is, why weren't His mechanics corrected in His 3rd year since this staff is so good with QBs...it's not like He didn't take practice snaps in 16'.
 
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