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ASU Fan: Thoughts on Pac12 ACC Partnership/Alliance

TimeBum said:
Perhaps the Pac12 / ACC could do something different from the P2 to stand out and make it unique. Reality is that a lot of good teams in bad markets arent getting a P2 invite, so they desperately need something to keep fans interested and make the teams somewhat relevant. Let's say the PacAcc also merged in AAC teams and maybe a couple other G5 conferences, then set up a tiered system with relegation like many soccer leagues. The legacy P5 schools could start off in the top tier, which comes with a bigger share of TV $$$. Suppose WSU sucks a couple years in a row and UCF wins 10+ games in back to back seasons. WSU would get bumped down to Tier 2 and UCF goes up to Tier 1 and gets a bigger piece of the pie. It would raise the stakes significantly and make for interesting TV.
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I get where you're going. It's what the English Premier League does in Soccer each year.

I don't think it would work for football because schools need to count on a stable consistent revenue each year.

I'm not interested in salvaging the ACC. Miami is a valued commodity and will wind up in the SEC or B1G. The timing will work out well as I believe Miami will be out of the ACC in 3 years. The SEC and B1G will be courting UM as Miami will be in the playoffs contending for national championships in the near future.

The investment in football couldn't have come at a better time and I think the powers that be saw this coming. They had to decide whether Miami would be at the top of the football world or irrelevant playing in some G5 conference. After Texas, Oklahoma, USC and UCLA join the SEC and B1G, each will add 4 more teams to get to 20. The SEC will add FSU, Clemson and likely NC State and UNC. The B1G will add ND, BC, Duke, and Miami unless they add Oregon.
But, I don't think Oregon makes sense as they don't have a large tv market. Duke would be joining the B1G because of basketball, but could get left out if they slide now that coach K has retired. At any case, Miami doesn't want to be on the outside looking in and we won't.

Schools in the SEC and B1G are going to get $100M+/yr when the recent realignment takes place in 2 years. That's what I heard on podcasts.

Staying in the ACC when Clemson and FSU move to the SEC, would force the ACC to merge with the remaining teams in the BIG 12 and maybe PAC-12. Miami would lose the recruiting momentum as the top recruits would have no interest playing in a glorified G5 league with 2 Super Conferences in play.

As I posted previously, I foresee two 20 team leagues in the SEC and B1G. There would be 4 divisions of 5 teams in each league. Each team would play 9 regular season conference games with 4 games in their division and all playing another entire conference division like the NFL does. The top 2 teams from each division would make it into a 16 team playoff (8 from SEC and 8 from the B1G). Two options for seeding would be to seed all 16 teams or seed the 8 teams from each conference and have them play an NCAA basketball tournament format of 4 brackets. That would provide the most parody.

So, Miami doesn't want to be on the outside looking in of a big payday or a new playoff system.

The B1G is better for Miami, but selfishly as a UM baseball fan, I don't want our baseball team in that weak *** league getting snowed out of games.

Make no mistake, when Miami figures out a way out the ACC, by Felicia.
 
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An alliance when the Pac-12 had UCLA and USC made sense. Without those programs, the alliance sucks. The Pac 10 is not bringing much to the table without those two programs. We're propping them up.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
I get where you're going. It's what the English Premier League does in Soccer each year.

I don't think it would work for football because schools need to count on a stable consistent revenue each year.
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It doesn't work in England anymore either. The Premier League tv deal has broken the football pyramid.

The 3 teams that are relegated from the Premier League invariably bounce straight back the next year. They just have much more money to play with and essentially operate under a different set of rules to everyone else in the Championship (the second tier of English football) due to Financial Fair Play rules... which I won't go into because nobody on here cares. :ROFLMAO:
 
CaneinBroward said:
Aside from some "insiders" on here, we're just fans. We don't really know Miami's options.

IMO, if Miami can get the same type of money the SEC/Big 10 schools are making, I'd be okay with it. However, the ONLY way that could happen is if ND were to join the ACC as a full time member, which is extremely doubtful. Plus, I don't know how the additional 20-30% of revenue going to Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Oregon would fly with the rest of the conference. It's pretty much the reason why the Big 12 originally broke up with Nebraska going Big 10 and Colorado to the PAC 12....Texas was getting more than the rest of the conference.

Also, I would think the PAC 12 would have to grab like 5 marquis names from the Big 12 to drive up the TV contract numbers as well as open up recruiting areas (Baylor, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, etc.).

Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as sadly, it's all about the pay day, not the benefit of the sport as a whole. I think Miami is going to end up in the SEC or Big 10 at the end of the day. Hopefully, the FSU rivalry will remain on a yearly basis. Unfortunately, they are the only historic rivalry Miami has been able to maintain since the '80's.
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VT has been a rival since the BE days
 
1mg of Epi said:
VT has been a rival since the BE days
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Yes, beginning in the '90s. They are a good rival, but for old timers like me, the big 3 rivals are ND, Florida, and FSU. Playing those 3 every year was just so exciting and meant more.

VT is a good rival though. I would just put them 1 notch below those 3.
 
1mg of Epi said:
VT has been a rival since the BE days
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Really, since the Independent days. Not an annual rival, but just a team that was in the conversation, and who we played with some moderate regularity prior to joining the same conference.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Yes, beginning in the '90s. They are a good rival, but for old timers like me, the big 3 rivals are ND, Florida, and FSU. Playing those 3 every year was just so exciting and meant more.

VT is a good rival though. I would just put them 1 notch below those 3.
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I’m no spring chicken either!

If you really think about it, FSU is the only true rival we have.

We hate em, and they’re our little sisters, but UF doesn’t count…we rarely play em. ND was only an annual game for 20 years I think, right? We see VT every year, but the animosity isn’t nearly what it is for the other 3.

I’ve always had some level of respect, if that’s the right word, for FSU. They never ran from Miami, even tho they would’ve at least played for another ship or two if they had… and Bowden helped elevate those games, and the rivalry.. hard to not miss him.

Unfortunately, the FSU fans have really taken a turn toward the trashy since jimbo took over, especially the ones who weren’t around for those classic games. It’s gonna be fun to push em to the brink of suicide over the next decade or two.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
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Conference realignment: Phil Knight resorts to cold calling for Oregon as Pac-12, Big 12, ACC seek lifelines

Resolution may come sooner than later with some well-known programs unfortunately being left out in the cold
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"...One industry source said it might take $500 million for a school to exit the ACC given the league's ironclad grant of rights that keeps schools in the conference until 2036..."
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That sounds a bit excessive. That goes beyond a liquidated damages clause and borders more on a penalty, which makes it easier to defeat in court.
 
Thanks everyone for the feedback and friendly hospitality. This is first time posting on message board that is not ASU (wasn’t sure how I would be received).

My objective was to better understand perspective of blue blood program in the ACC on this potential alliance, and It has become very clear to me that it is not Miami’s best interest long term to stay in the ACC and for ASU to hitch their wagon to the partnership/alliance that is basically setup to fail long term (not a sustainable model). Big12 seems more stable for ASU (ASU is not Miami and I’m okay with Big12)

If Miami is stuck in the ACC until 2036, here are my thoughts:

1. ACC should partner with Pac12/Big12 and vote accordingly on playoff expansion).Perhaps keeping the playoff at 4 or bumping up to 8 will keep these conferences relevant until 2036.

The bottom line is the Pac12, ACC, and Big12 will have the voting majority and they can vote on system that is most favorable for them.

2. Recruiting is all about NIL going forward. Even if Miami is not in SEC until 2036, I would anticipate consistent top 20 recruiting classes for Miami with robust NIL model.

Beers on me if Miami and ASU play in event thie Pac12 and ACC alliance materializes.

Cheers,

JJ
 
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