ASU Fan: Thoughts on Pac12 ACC Partnership/Alliance

[ASU-Fan]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

 

[JgDaCane]

It’ll be the pac 5 when the big10/sec get done with ya.

 

[Ispyin]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

You come in peace. Props

miami is going to leave the acc in pieces

 

[Canesrule230]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

I’m certainly just 1 Miami fan but here’s my take. I would love to do something of the sort but my concern is that I don’t believe the 3rd conference will be on an even footing with the sec/big. And I’m not just talking $, I’m also talking about a path to a championship.

I think the sec/big will either demand 80-90% of all the playoff spots or flat out shut out any other conference.

If the 3rd proposed conference would have equal footing to the sec/big and the $ isn’t that far off I think thats something the big football schools would consider. I just don’t see it happening on either front mate.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

I think a smart decisionmaker would have to factor in that it would only be a matter of time before the other conference members started complaining that it's unfair those schools are getting more. Let's say FSU continues to suck for the next decade, but ASU is a top 10 team, is it fair that ASU gets 30% less? And when the other conference members getting less than FSU back ASUs complaints, what happens then? The window might be closed for the SEC and B1G for a long time after this shakeup and I don't think UM or Clemson would want to pass up the opportunity to be in a P2 conference for a mishmash conference that is built on a shaky foundation.

 

[CaneinBroward]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

Aside from some "insiders" on here, we're just fans. We don't really know Miami's options.

IMO, if Miami can get the same type of money the SEC/Big 10 schools are making, I'd be okay with it. However, the ONLY way that could happen is if ND were to join the ACC as a full time member, which is extremely doubtful. Plus, I don't know how the additional 20-30% of revenue going to Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Oregon would fly with the rest of the conference. It's pretty much the reason why the Big 12 originally broke up with Nebraska going Big 10 and Colorado to the PAC 12....Texas was getting more than the rest of the conference.

Also, I would think the PAC 12 would have to grab like 5 marquis names from the Big 12 to drive up the TV contract numbers as well as open up recruiting areas (Baylor, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, etc.).

Unfortunately, I don't see this happening as sadly, it's all about the pay day, not the benefit of the sport as a whole. I think Miami is going to end up in the SEC or Big 10 at the end of the day. Hopefully, the FSU rivalry will remain on a yearly basis. Unfortunately, they are the only historic rivalry Miami has been able to maintain since the '80's.

 

[Santana Sosa]

The ACC should've merged with the PAC12 when UT and OU left for the SEC, proactive. Now they are being reactive and going to get their sh*t pushed in. I can't wait to see us in the Storm Troopers in a Michigan blizzard tho.

 

[Calinative]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

The only question that matters is how strong is the ACC GOR, and do the B10/SEC want us. Those are the only 2 questions that matter. Either the ACC GOR is strong enough to keep us (and thus strong enough to keep all ACC members in Football), in which case it's in the P12s best interest to do this deal to appease the ACC so yall can be saved .... or the GOR isn't strong enough to keep everyone and the teams will leave if the B10/SEC come calling. It's quite simple:

ACC gives like $35M/yr per team. 20-30% increase would put us at $45M. **** just to make it more competitive lets just say the ACC will pay us $45M next year, and 30% premium on that would make it $58M/yr payout for us...

That's still less than we'd be making in the B10 and SEC by 20%+ who could be paying anywhere from $70-$100m/school or some crazy ****. It's really not even close.

The best case scenario for ASU imo is P12/B12/ACC merge and just get the remnants after all the top programs leave and try to keep the bottom of the barrel out of it. Honestly best case is yall can keep Oregon and UTah out of Pac and VTech and NCSt out of ACC. But all the while leaving out teams like Oregon State and Washington State in PAC, Maybe KState and WVU from B12, Wake Forest and Boston College from the ACC...

 

[RangerGranger]

Nesta. That you?

 

[Baba Yaga]

Nah.

Best of luck to you though.

 

[Genghis Cane]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

The writing is on the wall. I appreciate your solution-oriented mindset, but the ACC and Pac 12 will both be just a memory in a few years.

 

[Yoyo423]

These are the only 2 criteria in my opinion that makes staying in the ACC an option.

1. Similar amount of $$$ long term that we'd get in the SEC or BIG. Not just first contract but there has to be a viable path to growing that pool of money.
2. Equal path to the playoff

I don't think these are realistic criteria any longer. #1 is a near impossibility and even if it is achieved with the first contract, it's not sustainable and everybody in the ACC will be looking over their shoulder waiting for the other shoe to drop.

 

[thebutcher]

We want to play in the gauntlet

 

[Rickd]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

"Playing the gauntlet" is what makes being an SEC / Big member interesting for fans. Any "alliance" between the PAC / ACC is going to be a 3rd tier conference with little national appeal. Only the fans of the specific program will watch. Who cares about a game between UM / Washington? UM / Tennessee however would be nice. Time to make a big boy move to the SEC. That can happen with ESPN assistance as they own the GOR.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Not saying it’s impossible, but an alliance with the PAC makes the least sense from an economic or a power perspective.

The ACC, or its individual teams, are in no position to bail out the PAC, the most likely thing is individual teams like Miami, Clemson, and so forth are looking for their best options, and probably most of those don’t involve the PAC or the ACC.

The PAC is basically dead and the ACC is on life support and in critical condition. It’s every man for himself.

Good luck to OP, but your proposal doesn’t seem quite likely or feasible to me at this time.

 

[Rickd]

Not saying it’s impossible, but an alliance with the PAC makes the least sense from an economic or a power perspective.

The ACC, or its individual teams, are in no position to bail out the PAC, the most likely thing is individual teams like Miami, Clemson, and so forth are looking for their best options, and probably most of those don’t involve the PAC or the ACC.

The PAC is basically dead and the ACC is on life support and in critical condition. It’s every man for himself.

Good luck to OP, but your proposal doesn’t seem quite likely or feasible to me at this time.

Agree .... the PAC and ACC "forming an alliance" is just like passengers on a sinking ship sharing a lifeboat .... not a long term solution. Bite the bullet ... bail from the ACC ... join the SEC and get on with life.

 

[Empirical Cane]

You come in peace. Props

miami is going to leave the acc in pieces

 

[OldhamA]

I'd agree to a PAC-ACC alliance if I could have it confirmed in writing that it breached the GoR and Miami could leave for one of the Power 2 conferences with no penalty.

 

[Cryptical Envelopment]

ASU fan here. I come in peace.

There have been rumors of ACC and Pac12 partnership (play conference games against each other and have champs play each other).

If this partnership occurs and Miami, FSU, and Clemson (maybe Oregon) were offered 20-30 percent more revenue year than other conference members, would Miami consider staying in the ACC long term?

If keeping up with the SEC/Big10 is the end game, this proposal may incentivize the top brands to stay (assuming the yearly payout it close to the Big10/SEC).

In this scenario, Miami could earn similar $ per year to the SEC and not have play in the SEC gauntlet

Thoughts?

Hey bud.

It's really, really simple. Any and every school that has a chance to go B1G/SEC will. Period. End of story. No "if's." That goes for the Miami, Clemson and UNC's, as well as the Oregon's and Washington's of the world. ASU/UA seem destined to be left out right now, though I guess you can campaign on the PHX TV market. It's a tough beat, you guys deserve better.

Also we're not scared of any "gauntlets." Bring it on.

 

[JD08]

That had a shot before USC/UCLA left. Now it's a shot to merge with the Big 12.

The ACC is being sold for parts.