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Article: how long does it take to build a championship program?

TimeBum said:
When an experienced HC inherits a QB who was the ACC rookie of the year and who set records for most consecutive games with 300 yards and 3 TDs- something that even ACC legends like Trevor Lawrence or Kenny Pickett didn't accomplish- and yet still somehow gets blown out at home by a bad G5 school, your god**** right that one game is going to be used as ammunition.
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WanderFranco said:
This is how you know a guy is going to use one game as ammunition no matter what happens.
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Oh and BTW- during the bye week, FIVE weeks into the season we learn that the HC and OC have finally decided to tailor the offense around the QB.
Surprise surprise- the result was yet another 300+ yard game with 3 TDs.

So yeah - that one game is pretty good evidence that there is a massive problem with the coaching staff.
 
TimeBum said:
Oh and BTW- during the bye week, FIVE weeks into the season we learn that the HC and OC have finally decided to tailor the offense around the QB.
Surprise surprise- the result was yet another 300+ yard game with 3 TDs.

So yeah - that one game is pretty good evidence that there is a massive problem with the coaching staff.
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For the third time and second guy......now what? You're convinced that Mario is the problem, so what do you want?
 
JD08 said:
First season record (2007): The first season of Nick Saban is interesting with the Crimson Tide going 7-6, including a 21-14 loss to Louisiana Monroe.

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Completely different NCAA in '07, and situation. Bama was on sanctions, no immediate play transfer, no grad transfer, no 4 year redshirt, no NIL, no COVID year... same crap level of coach being replaced though

Can't Miami just be Miami? Not the new-new-new-BYU 1984?
 
The canesman said:
That’s just the way shalala wanted it. She knocked the program back 20 years.
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I'm curious where you mouthbreathers get this "Shalala was actively trying to destroy the program" nonsense. Then again, our fans view her as some all knowing, all seeing evil genius, which is comical when you think about it.
 
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TimeBum said:
Oh and BTW- during the bye week, FIVE weeks into the season we learn that the HC and OC have finally decided to tailor the offense around the QB.
Surprise surprise- the result was yet another 300+ yard game with 3 TDs.

So yeah - that one game is pretty good evidence that there is a massive problem with the coaching staff.
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GojiraCane said:
Clemson under Dabo:

Year 0: Dabo takes over mid-season and goes 4-3. Clemson finishes 7-6 overall
Year 1: 9-5 (wins Atlantic)
Year 2: 6-7
Year 3: 10-4 (wins Atlantic)
Year 4: 11-2
Year 5: 11-2
Year 6: 10-3
Year 7: 14-1 (wins Atlantic, goes to NC)
Year 8: 14-1 (wins Atlantic, wins NC)
Year 9: 12-2 (wins Atlantic)
Year 10: 15-0 (wins Atlantic, wins NC)
Year 11: 14-1 (wins Atlantic, goes to NC)
Year 12: 10-2 (wins Atlantic)
Year 13: 10-3

Getting a top tier college quarterback in year 3 with Tajh Boyd put him into the 10 win threshold for the next three seasons. Getting Deshaun Watson in Year 6 sent them to another level. And then getting Trevor Lawrence in Year 10 kept them at a national championship level. Much like Mack Brown but even more so, Dabo has enjoyed the benefits of having three consecutive top tier quarterbacks (Boyd, Watson, and Lawrence). Brown did the same with the back to back tenures of Vince Young and Colt McCoy.
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The moral of two of these stories (Bama & Clemson) is fire Kevin Steele and you win a natty
 
Ironmanfootball said:
Completely different NCAA in '07, and situation. Bama was on sanctions, no immediate play transfer, no grad transfer, no 4 year redshirt, no NIL, no COVID year... same crap level of coach being replaced though

Can't Miami just be Miami? Not the new-new-new-BYU 1984?
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You and I are good with that, but apparently the rest of the world wants it known far and wide that Saban lost to ULM in his first year.
 
MiamiVice7 said:
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How is saying we could be 5-0 an absurd statement? In the past 3 games this team has done a lot of abnormal things.

Texas A&M: We muff a punt and get a field goal blocked,
MTSU: Pick 6, 1st and goal at the 3 no points
UNC: 1st and goal at the 2 no points, fumble in the redzone

Those are 6 plays or sequences, with outcomes that aren't normal, that directly cost Miami points in close games. I'm saying a better coached or more experienced team likely doesn't make those mistakes.
 
WanderFranco said:
For the third time and second guy......now what? You're convinced that Mario is the problem, so what do you want?
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What do I want? An early intervention by the guys who pay the bills or who have influence on Cristobal. It took 3 years of watching Richts offensive ineptitude before the UM power brokers tried to force him to change. We can't afford 3 more years of low scoring caveman football with more Ls, and intervene only after we're on the verge of a nuclear meltdown again. Cristobal is a meat head. His solution is more caveman football. Someone - maybe it's Ruiz, JJ, Butch or even Saban, but someone has to say:

"Look Mario. Lots of people misunderstand evolution and think it means 'only the strong survive.' Thats the wrong lesson. It's not the strongest or the fastest that survive - its the ones that can adapt to changing conditions. You are not adapting to modern college football or adjusting your schemes to the players on your roster. If you don't adapt you will go extinct. Please change your approach now before its too late."
 
TimeBum said:
What do I want? An early intervention by the guys who pay the bills or who have influence on Cristobal. It took 3 years of watching Richts offensive ineptitude before the UM power brokers tried to force him to change. We can't afford 3 more years of low scoring caveman football with more Ls, and intervene only after we're on the verge of a nuclear meltdown again. Cristobal is a meat head. His solution is more caveman football. Someone - maybe it's Ruiz, JJ, Butch or even Saban, but someone has to say:

"Look Mario. Lots of people misunderstand evolution and think it means 'only the strong survive.' Thats the wrong lesson. It's not the strongest or the fastest that survive - its the ones that can adapt to changing conditions. You are not adapting to modern college football or adjusting your schemes to the players on your roster. If you don't adapt you will go extinct. Please change your approach now before its too late."
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Got it. So if you keep posting "LULZ MTSU", one of those guys, maybe even Saban, will make the call. Glad we have a plan.
 
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TimeBum said:
What do I want? An early intervention by the guys who pay the bills or who have influence on Cristobal. It took 3 years of watching Richts offensive ineptitude before the UM power brokers tried to force him to change. We can't afford 3 more years of low scoring caveman football with more Ls, and intervene only after we're on the verge of a nuclear meltdown again. Cristobal is a meat head. His solution is more caveman football. Someone - maybe it's Ruiz, JJ, Butch or even Saban, but someone has to say:

"Look Mario. Lots of people misunderstand evolution and think it means 'only the strong survive.' Thats the wrong lesson. It's not the strongest or the fastest that survive - its the ones that can adapt to changing conditions. You are not adapting to modern college football or adjusting your schemes to the players on your roster. If you don't adapt you will go extinct. Please change your approach now before its too late."
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That's a big kick in the nuts to his ego.
Football coaches and egos go hand in hand.
I was directly in the b'ness for 19 of the last 20 years, and some with some high level players.
Now I'm only with the other biggest ego slaps in the world- strength coaches in year 20.
Mario has built his entire schtick around those Bama teams and Bama doesn't even look like those Bama teams anymore.
So now he changes his S&C, his offense, and his 'culture' and what does he look in the mirror to see?
That's some hard *** reality there, by a guy that preaches "how I fold my shirts is how I coach football"
 
It's all recruiting. Stack top 3 classes and you will go to the playoffs. This roster is pathetic. A real roster with elite talent two deep in every position is what it takes to win a NC. Either that or an era defining talent like Burrow or Tua.
 
Depends on the methodology by which you go about building said championship program.

If you're using the Bama/UGA method, then it'll take about 4-5 years of Elite top 5 recruiting.

If you're using the Clemson/Oh ST method, it will take around the same amount of time, but the key will replenishing at the QB spot & having primary coordinators who elevate the talent you have.

You're probably asking, "What's the difference?". Well Bama & UGA's success don't hinge on play callers per se, they have so much NFL talent they essentially win the majority of their games by simply overwhelming their opponents with their talent advantage. Neither team does anything spectacular in terms of X's & O's that set them apart from anyone, they really don't have to, they can afford to keep it simple because they know their 22 vs your 22 is always going to be in their favor.

While Oh ST & Clemson on the other hand along with having very good talent also beat you schematically. During their championship runs it was always highlighted & predicated on their exceptional QB play in conjunction with the overall Offense in general, yes they had good Defenses too, but the main catalyst during the titles (in the playoff era) has always mainly been the QB.

The LSU method is similar to theirs as well, but that was more of capturing lighting in a bottle, but the premise by which they got to their championship team was pretty much the same; they had a great QB, great WR's & RB & had a talented enough to Defense to hold down their fort while they outgunned most of their opponents.
 
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