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It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.
 
Speaking as a Marxist ******, there's plenty of legitimate stuff for Separation of Church and State people to go after. Trying to get a college football team to take crosses off their helmets in remembrance of a dead teammate and an equipment manager isn't one of them.

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It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.

Of course, no one REALLY believes in separation of church and state until they see something Christian in the news. No one refuses to use money, which has GOD written on every piece. No one cares that Arkansas State sponsors and allows dozens of Christian student organizations to meet in public buildings. No one cares that taxpayers are paying for scholarships for kids to learn about religion in Arkansas State classrooms. But put a cross on a helmet? Oh, there has to be complete separation. No mention of religion whatsoever.

If people really believe in separation of church and state, they sure don't act like it.
 
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It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.

What's also dangerous are people who are ignorant of our country's history, and who conflate what is different in context and in scale in an attempt to assert a vacuous sense of moral superiority.

Insofar as Arky State wearing a cross on their helmet, they should just claim it's a telephone pole. It's not like lots of people these days don't make false claims in order to further an agenda!
 
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It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.
Please show radical Christians killing people today?
 
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It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.
Please show radical Christians killing people today?
I never said they were killing anybody today. Mixing in religious law into secular law is dangerous. Ruling according to a book written Jeebus knows how many years before present day isn't the brightest idea, no matter who's book it is.

Who's yelling for more guns? Those wacko Atheistic liberals, or those Holy-roller Westboro TPNN-reading types? (see? you ask a crazy off the wall hypothetical, and so can I.)
 
crossover22[]_[];1978036 said:
It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.
Please show radical Christians killing people today?
I never said they were killing anybody today. Mixing in religious law into secular law is dangerous. Ruling according to a book written Jeebus knows how many years before present day isn't the brightest idea, no matter who's book it is.

Who's yelling for more guns? Those wacko Atheistic liberals, or those Holy-roller Westboro TPNN-reading types? (see? you ask a crazy off the wall hypothetical, and so can I.)

You mean like, Thou shalt not kill?
 
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What's also dangerous are people who are ignorant of our country's history, and who conflate what is different in context and in scale in an attempt to assert a vacuous sense of moral superiority.
What? Like all of the Secular Humanists and Paganists that comprised a great deal of the founding fathers?

Insofar as Arky State wearing a cross on their helmet, they should just claim it's a telephone pole. It's not like lots of people these days don't make false claims in order to further an agenda!
If that's what ASU wants to do, they can go ahead. I don't give a fvck.

As for the 2nd sentence there about using false claims to further an agenda--I'll definitely agree with that, but I think you won't like the way I see it regardless.
 
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crossover22[]_[];1978036 said:
It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.
Please show radical Christians killing people today?
I never said they were killing anybody today. Mixing in religious law into secular law is dangerous. Ruling according to a book written Jeebus knows how many years before present day isn't the brightest idea, no matter who's book it is.

Who's yelling for more guns? Those wacko Atheistic liberals, or those Holy-roller Westboro TPNN-reading types? (see? you ask a crazy off the wall hypothetical, and so can I.)

You mean like, Thou shalt not kill?
You need a book to tell you that?
 
crossover22[]_[];1978036 said:
They shouldn't address it at all. I'm a big believer in Separation of Church and State. It's not any of their business to stick their nose in any Religious affairs, period...and *gasp* vice-versa. That's why all of these people who warn us of Sharia law taking over our country, but then in the same breath say they want their governments here ruled according to the Christian Bible, are people I distrust greatly. Religious extremism of any type is dangerous.
Please show radical Christians killing people today?
I never said they were killing anybody today. Mixing in religious law into secular law is dangerous. Ruling according to a book written Jeebus knows how many years before present day isn't the brightest idea, no matter who's book it is.

Who's yelling for more guns? Those wacko Atheistic liberals, or those Holy-roller Westboro TPNN-reading types? (see? you ask a crazy off the wall hypothetical, and so can I.)

You mean like, Thou shalt not kill?
You need a book to tell you that?

You need me to tell you the obvious? There you go again, conflating to make yourself believe you said something that makes sense. Get someone to explain what I've been attempting to communicate to you.
 
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What's also dangerous are people who are ignorant of our country's history, and who conflate what is different in context and in scale in an attempt to assert a vacuous sense of moral superiority.
What? Like all of the Secular Humanists and Paganists that comprised a great deal of the founding fathers?

Insofar as Arky State wearing a cross on their helmet, they should just claim it's a telephone pole. It's not like lots of people these days don't make false claims in order to further an agenda!
If that's what ASU wants to do, they can go ahead. I don't give a fvck.

As for the 2nd sentence there about using false claims to further an agenda--I'll definitely agree with that, but I think you won't like the way I see it regardless.

Are you talking about the same founders that published a Bible and held prayers in congress? The more you post the more you reveal what little you know.
 
crossover22[]_[];1978036 said:
Please show radical Christians killing people today?
I never said they were killing anybody today. Mixing in religious law into secular law is dangerous. Ruling according to a book written Jeebus knows how many years before present day isn't the brightest idea, no matter who's book it is.

Who's yelling for more guns? Those wacko Atheistic liberals, or those Holy-roller Westboro TPNN-reading types? (see? you ask a crazy off the wall hypothetical, and so can I.)

You mean like, Thou shalt not kill?
You need a book to tell you that?

You need me to tell you the obvious? There you go again, conflating to make yourself believe you said something that makes sense. Get someone to explain what I've been attempting to communicate to you.
Why don't you just say WTF you mean. Explain for yourself (if you can). Speak more betters.

I know it's obvious that killing people is wrong, have from a very young age. Bible aside. I'm sorry you didn't see that for yourself, and instead, needed the Bible to tell you that.
 
Are you talking about the same founders that published a Bible and held prayers in congress? The more you post the more you reveal what little you know.
Ah, see...but here's the false equivalency. They did all of that stuff because they had those beliefs, but didn't make it the Federal Religion. Ask yourself why that is. Because they wanted everyone to be free to believe or not believe what they want when it comes to religion. That includes all of the pagan rituals that earmark a lot of the Masonic rituals...the same Masons that most of our founding fathers were a part of.

If they wanted this nation to be a "Christian nation", they would have set as much up when laying out the government. Then we would have been just as bad as the Anglican Church that we fled to America to get away from. They knew better.

Look, I can't help it that the founding fathers got this one right, and we're not a "Christian nation". I'm just thankful that we're a nation that has freedom to believe what we want religiously. I'm happy that you believe what you do, and that I don't believe what you do.
 
I never said they were killing anybody today. Mixing in religious law into secular law is dangerous. Ruling according to a book written Jeebus knows how many years before present day isn't the brightest idea, no matter who's book it is.

Who's yelling for more guns? Those wacko Atheistic liberals, or those Holy-roller Westboro TPNN-reading types? (see? you ask a crazy off the wall hypothetical, and so can I.)

You mean like, Thou shalt not kill?
You need a book to tell you that?

You need me to tell you the obvious? There you go again, conflating to make yourself believe you said something that makes sense. Get someone to explain what I've been attempting to communicate to you.
Why don't you just say WTF you mean. Explain for yourself (if you can). Speak more betters.

I know it's obvious that killing people is wrong, have from a very young age. Bible aside. I'm sorry you didn't see that for yourself, and instead, needed the Bible to tell you that.

No, I will not, it's much easier to talk above your head and being amusing to others reading you. You don't seem to have much in the way of historical knowledge, reading, or critical thinking skills. If you made it to an age where you can login to this forum to repeat nonsense and not see that it's nonsense then I cannot help you.
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Having said this I will click you into Ignore User because it is unlikely that you have any worthwhile thoughts about UM football either.
 
No, I will not, it's much easier to talk above your head and being amusing to others reading you. You don't seem to have much in the way of historical knowledge, reading, or critical thinking skills. If you made it to an age where you can login to this forum to repeat nonsense and not see that it's nonsense then I cannot help you.
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LMFAO...OK. You just stay "above the fray" and keep being too smart for me by not being able to explain yourself. Hey guysm!1!! I found the religious equivalent of Jordanna Bumstein.

Having said this I will click you into Ignore User because it is unlikely that you have any worthwhile thoughts about UM football either.
+Rep for someone to quote this and tell Chuckles that I'm crushed he feels that way, truly. lol...Good luck. I hope you get to the place that your book promises you. If not, well...maybe we'll see you around!!!
 
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I just pulled out legal tender from my wallet. Says "In God We Trust" right the **** on it.

I'm atheist, but it doesn't bother me. Other peoples beliefs don't have to interfere with mine. That's right though, we live in America, where you're free to be offended, and that means people must change.

Country is done. Wish we could fire all those offended pricks off into space. ****s.

same. more agnostic though. prove to me there is a god or prove to me there isn't one. i think organized religion is good, but can be used for very bad things. this is not one of those things...
 
Wasn't this to honor someone that died or was killed?


What the **** is with people feeling they need to interfere in every little thing. Understand why the school caved, I dont get why someone felt the need to **** about this. Who's rights or liberties were being infringed by the players honoring people with crosses on their helmets?


It was to honor two people. One was an equipment manager killed in a car accident this summer, the second was to honor a player who was murdered during the break between the bowl game and Spring Practice. Went home for a few days, discovered his father had turned to drug use. Couple of thieves came in looking for drugs while he was there. They shot his father and were in the process of terrorizing his mother when he charged them. He was shot and killed, but it spooked the thieves enough to abandon their pursuit and likely saved his mothers life.

Fans are doing a cross out for the Utah State game next week. Local company got a Tshirt with the emblem designed and is selling them for 5 dollars, with all money going to the two families.
 
If we are going to argue from authority, let's at least look to the guy who had more to do with the constitution than anyone else.

Religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

Besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by ecclesiastical corporations. The establishment of the chaplainship in Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights as well as of Constitutional principles. The danger of silent accumulations and encroachments by ecclesiastical bodies has not sufficiently engaged attention in the U.S.

Madison
 
If we are going to argue from authority, let's at least look to the guy who had more to do with the constitution than anyone else.

Religion & Govt. will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.

Besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by ecclesiastical corporations. The establishment of the chaplainship in Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights as well as of Constitutional principles. The danger of silent accumulations and encroachments by ecclesiastical bodies has not sufficiently engaged attention in the U.S.

Madison


cf, you have to admit that it is petty for the lawyer guy to go after the school for this.

I do not disagree with the schools decision to cave, because technically it is the law...but since the players decided to do it -- it was not school initiated -- I think this guy was just being an *******.
 
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