Arky State in the news

[HurricaneU]

I think they erred on the side of caution. This was a student led decision, not a school one. It's a school function, but not a required one, where we would see them. Looks like the lawyer didn't feel like making a case for the school, if one should come up. The players pray after the games any way, and no one is suing over that.

If they hadn't modified the uniform, and had instead wrote something on eye black e.g. Tebow, or something to that effect, I think they would have been fine. But altering the actual uniform is likely construed as state endorsement since the school owns the uniform.

There is a fairly well-developed, although ever changing and somewhat circuitous body of jurisprudence on this topic.

I thought it was just a sticker. How was the uniform altered?

My understanding is it was a decal placed on the helmet no? If so, that would likely constitute altering or modifying the uniform.

 

[cf3000]

Recently a fire chief in Illinois told the firefighters to remove their American flag decals from their lockers and helmets. Some guys had Marine stickers because they served. None of the stickers were offensive in any way and some were even 9/11 memorial decals. Well 4 of them told the chief they would not remove their American flag sticker and got suspended. I feel this country is going to **** and it's sad

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/19/video-man-told-to-remove-american-flag-because-its-a-threat-to-muslims/#!

That's protected free speech.

 

[BWCD]

Recently a fire chief in Illinois told the firefighters to remove their American flag decals from their lockers and helmets. Some guys had Marine stickers because they served. None of the stickers were offensive in any way and some were even 9/11 memorial decals. Well 4 of them told the chief they would not remove their American flag sticker and got suspended. I feel this country is going to **** and it's sad

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/06/19/video-man-told-to-remove-american-flag-because-its-a-threat-to-muslims/#!

That's protected free speech.

True, but that's a sh1tty news source.

 

[L A M P]

Those other things you listed have "meaning" to other people as well.

Facebook is the prime example. If by chance I do check it, I sort through post after post of people complaining about waiting in fast food lines for 10 minutes, someone not re-filling the coffee pot at work, raining for a second time this week, light bills being higher in the summer, etc. Blah blah blah. All trivial. That's life. People are petty.

 

[cf3000]

I think they erred on the side of caution. This was a student led decision, not a school one. It's a school function, but not a required one, where we would see them. Looks like the lawyer didn't feel like making a case for the school, if one should come up. The players pray after the games any way, and no one is suing over that.

If they hadn't modified the uniform, and had instead wrote something on eye black e.g. Tebow, or something to that effect, I think they would have been fine. But altering the actual uniform is likely construed as state endorsement since the school owns the uniform.

There is a fairly well-developed, although ever changing and somewhat circuitous body of jurisprudence on this topic.

I thought it was just a sticker. How was the uniform altered?

My understanding is it was a decal placed on the helmet no? If so, that would likely constitute altering or modifying the uniform.

Really? I wasn't aware that counted as altering the uniform. On their person is OK, but not they helmet, jersey, pants, or socks?

 

[L A M P]

True, but that's a sh1tty news source.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/19/threat-to-muslim-community-flag-removal_n_5512612.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/20/texas-man-claims-was-told-to-remove-american-flag-over-threat-to-muslim/

 

[BWCD]

Those other things you listed have "meaning" to other people as well.

Facebook is the prime example. If by chance I do check it, I sort through post after post of people complaining about waiting in fast food lines for 10 minutes, someone not re-filling the coffee pot at work, raining for a second time this week, light bills being higher in the summer, etc. Blah blah blah. All trivial. That's life. People are petty.

...and it's annoying as fvck to me which is why I've unfriended and/or blocked a ****-ton of folks on FB. Giving the masses less to complain and bytch about is always a good thing IMO...and anytime you involve any religious symbolism or references in something that is inherently not religious...it's one more thing for them to type up a masterfully crafted (lol) FB post or Tweet about.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Speaking as a Marxist ******, there's plenty of legitimate stuff for Separation of Church and State people to go after. Trying to get a college football team to take crosses off their helmets in remembrance of a dead teammate and an equipment manager isn't one of them.

 

[BWCD]

True, but that's a sh1tty news source.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/19/threat-to-muslim-community-flag-removal_n_5512612.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/20/texas-man-claims-was-told-to-remove-american-flag-over-threat-to-muslim/

First one's good. Second one may as well still be TPNN in my book.

 

[canecountry3]

Good. Get your religion out of my face.

 

[HurricaneU]

I think they erred on the side of caution. This was a student led decision, not a school one. It's a school function, but not a required one, where we would see them. Looks like the lawyer didn't feel like making a case for the school, if one should come up. The players pray after the games any way, and no one is suing over that.

If they hadn't modified the uniform, and had instead wrote something on eye black e.g. Tebow, or something to that effect, I think they would have been fine. But altering the actual uniform is likely construed as state endorsement since the school owns the uniform.

There is a fairly well-developed, although ever changing and somewhat circuitous body of jurisprudence on this topic.

I thought it was just a sticker. How was the uniform altered?

My understanding is it was a decal placed on the helmet no? If so, that would likely constitute altering or modifying the uniform.

Really? I wasn't aware that counted as altering the uniform. On their person is OK, but not they helmet, jersey, pants, or socks?

Anything involving the actual uniform almost certainly would be a violation. Technically, there could be an argument that Tebow's eyeblack was a violation. I have no idea though on citing a passage from a religious text.

I understand why the AD defended the decision by the players. However, I also understand why their legal counsel told them to take it off. One, precedent is fairly well established regarding modifying uniforms and such. And two, had the stickers been allowed, it opens the door for other players - both current and future - to wear decals on their helmets promoting or advocating any particular purpose - religious or otherwise.

Not saying if that is good or bad, but I can understand the problems and challenges in trying to manage that situation.

 

[L A M P]

Giving the masses less to complain and bytch about is always a good thing IMO....

To each his own. In this case, people are still complaining though (hence this discussion). Meh.

 

[L A M P]

Second one may as well still be TPNN in my book.

Your book. Your opinion. To each his own.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-fox-is-the-most-trusted-tv-news-source-in-america-2014-6

 

[L A M P]

Good. Get your religion out of my face.

Get your face out of my religion.

 

[frank1886]

The sooner we eliminate religion the better.

 

[algoldenshair]

Oh shocker, another worthless slimy ****** that's an attorney?

Like posts 7 and 8. Just about non religious, but that's bull****

It'd be one thing if ark state was trying to ram Christianity down college football's throat for no reason..but this was homage for people the ******* died, including a coach's son if my half awake *** read that right

 

[BWCD]

Second one may as well still be TPNN in my book.

Your book. Your opinion. To each his own.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-fox-is-the-most-trusted-tv-news-source-in-america-2014-6

Give context...they're the most "trusted" "news" source in America because that's the sole place where roughly 25% of the American population gets their news. The other 75% is smart enough to get it from multiple sources.

 

[Skitz305]

I for one have no problem with it. Let me preface this next comment by saying I'm not overly religious and I don't really go to church all that often, but at the rate this country is going maybe a little religion isn't such a bad thing. Everyone is free to share their rights and their beliefs without any prejudice, think about this for a second Michael Sam gets praised and celebrated for coming out as *** and no one seems to be "up in arms" about it and he was able to express his sexuality open with everyone on national T.V. with the infamous cupcake kiss. But some kids who want to honor their fallen teamates with a cross get scolded? I just don't understand. I feel anyone should be allowed to express their feelings and beliefs as they see fit without anyone or entity stopping them from doing it. What's next changing the Pledge of Allegiance?

 

[Chuckles]

Good. Get your religion out of my face.

I nominate you as our representative to ISIL, hope the job doesn't go to your head.

You can petition the folks who work here:

 

[Sandman211]

I don't want people to be offended because I don't want to hear someone bytch constantly about it. And why would some people "need" to be offended?

People "bytch" about everything. Cars. Clothes. Weight. Friends. Family. Politics. Sexual preference. Al Golden. The list is endless. At least this situation has meaning. If they want to complain, just put it on the tab.

Where does the PC world end? I'm offended that they're offended. Where's my justice?

If one offends a liberal or non-Christian...you have to change, apologize, remove whatever you're wearing or displaying that offends them, address the public in a BS speech to express your sympathy towards them. If it's art, too bad, change it or take it down.

If one offends a conservative or a Christian...no one cares. That's their right to do so. It's freedom of speech, freedom to express themselves. If it's art, then it's art, suck it up.

It's a double standard that the state and federal governments don't want to address and won't address.