Are Older Lbs Going To Get Pushed Out?

[Andrew]

Not sure how this coaching staff does thing but past coaching staffs always raved about the younger guys and when the depth chart came out during the fall it typically contained the older guys. The term "Greentree All-American" didn't become a stigma for nothing. Maybe Richt is different but he will find out this fall.

 

[Dwinstitles]

i got ripped on here when i made a remark about young's offer list scaring me. This could also be the staff pushing them harder.
what surprised me is hearing gordinier getting alot of reps. i expected perry but not him.

The problem is everyone sees a hilight tape and theythink the player is good. Everyones tape is meantfor them to look good

 

[The Franchise]

Herald should cut the middle man (Barry Hackson) out and just hire Pete. Everything Hackson posts is from Pete.

The fact that a bunch of kids who should still be in HS strolled in and stole all the veterans' lunch money in the course of 8 practices should tell you all you need to know about what Diaz thinks of the vet LBs. Diaz must be completely sickened by the vet LBs.

 

[canes614]

Another flaw/virus that must be corrected is fighting off blocks the right way. The entire defense needs to learn how to quickly dismantle blockers! Before..... they'd put hands on a blockers chest area then get pushed back 5 yards allowing the runner to easily reach the second level .......or flatout get knocked on their *** allowing the runner to break! I guess younger kids like Shaq and Pickney don't have that mindset so...... maybe the staff is favoring their raw aggressiveness over the slower vet mindset still waiting on the virus scan to finish? Or like another poster said.....maybe the staff is giving them a strong look? My guess is....it's a little bit of both. "If"... the older kids don't improve fast enough, they will indefinitely lose ground in the rotation.

 

[Astcloud11]

It's not a big deal right now because it's spring ball. The coaches already have film on the older guys. The spring really give the coaches a chance to move the younger guys to the front to see what they really have in terms of talent and depth (import for a new staff to do). Come fall if the older LB are not making plays then you will know that they are being passed over.

I doubt that...considering the older LB's have no experience in this system and needs to learn it just as much as the new guys do.

 

[Moro]

It's not a big deal right now because it's spring ball. The coaches already have film on the older guys. The spring really give the coaches a chance to move the younger guys to the front to see what they really have in terms of talent and depth (import for a new staff to do). Come fall if the older LB are not making plays then you will know that they are being passed over.

I doubt that...considering the older LB's have no experience in this system and needs to learn it just as much as the new guys do.

What you are not understanding is the speed and physicality of the game and the learning curve at the college level. You put the underachieving Older LB in a backup role in the spring to motivate and to coach up the younger players in a new system. The older players are already acclimated to the speed of the game and physical play at the college level and the learning curve therefore should be shorter. By doing it this way, you as a team are ahead of the curve if the Older guys don't step up and the younger guys prove that they are ready to play come fall. So you save yourself a headache later by investing in the young guys early.

 

[Ericrdreier]

Another flaw/virus that must be corrected is fighting off blocks the right way. The entire defense needs to learn how to quickly dismantle blockers! Before.
.... they'd put hands on a blockers chest area then get pushed back 5 yards allowing the runner to easily reach the second level .......or flatout get knocked on their *** allowing the runner to break! I guess younger kids like Shaq and Pickney don't have that mindset so...... maybe the staff is favoring their raw aggressiveness over the slower vet mindset still waiting on the virus scan to finish? Or like another poster said.....maybe the staff is giving them a strong look? My guess is....it's a little bit of both. "If"... the older kids don't improve fast enough, they will indefinitely lose ground in the rotation.

What happening is what Richt said in the beginning of spring. Generally the players with the most experience in the playbook play. Everything is new and fresh, the old players have to scrap everything they were taught. The freshman are learning it all for the first time it's a level playing field so the superior talent will play because everyone's experience is about the same with the playbook.

 

[Astcloud11]

It's not a big deal right now because it's spring ball. The coaches already have film on the older guys. The spring really give the coaches a chance to move the younger guys to the front to see what they really have in terms of talent and depth (import for a new staff to do). Come fall if the older LB are not making plays then you will know that they are being passed over.

I doubt that...considering the older LB's have no experience in this system and needs to learn it just as much as the new guys do.

What you are not understanding is the speed and physicality of the game and the learning curve at the college level. You put the underachieving Older LB in a backup role in the spring to motivate and to coach up the younger players in a new system. The older players are already acclimated to the speed of the game and physical play at the college level and the learning curve therefore should be shorter. By doing it this way, you as a team are ahead of the curve if the Older guys don't step up and the younger guys prove that they are ready to play come fall. So you save yourself a headache later by investing in the young guys early.

I understand that, but your learning curve gets jacked up if you have a problem memory dumping the system you have been taught to run and practice 24/7 for 2 years. Muscle memory is a ***** to reverse some times.

 

[Moro]

It's not a big deal right now because it's spring ball. The coaches already have film on the older guys. The spring really give the coaches a chance to move the younger guys to the front to see what they really have in terms of talent and depth (import for a new staff to do). Come fall if the older LB are not making plays then you will know that they are being passed over.

I doubt that...considering the older LB's have no experience in this system and needs to learn it just as much as the new guys do.

What you are not understanding is the speed and physicality of the game and the learning curve at the college level. You put the underachieving Older LB in a backup role in the spring to motivate and to coach up the younger players in a new system. The older players are already acclimated to the speed of the game and physical play at the college level and the learning curve therefore should be shorter. By doing it this way, you as a team are ahead of the curve if the Older guys don't step up and the younger guys prove that they are ready to play come fall. So you save yourself a headache later by investing in the young guys early.

I understand that, but your learning curve gets jacked up if you have a problem memory dumping the system you have been taught to run and practice 24/7 for 2 years. Muscle memory is a ***** to reverse some times.

That's why coaches preach "Buying into the system" all the time. The easiest people to brainwash is the youth because everything is new to them. If the Older players don't "buy in" then you want to get rid of them as quickly as possible and get your guys in there. It should never take a Vet longer to adjust than it does a rookie.

 

[AUcane]

So much for the fantastic depth at this position, huh? It's not a coincidence coaches were looking for 3-4 guys last recruiting cycle and we'll do the same this recruiting cycle

 

[canes614]

It's not a big deal right now because it's spring ball. The coaches already have film on the older guys. The spring really give the coaches a chance to move the younger guys to the front to see what they really have in terms of talent and depth (import for a new staff to do). Come fall if the older LB are not making plays then you will know that they are being passed over.

I doubt that...considering the older LB's have no experience in this system and needs to learn it just as much as the new guys do.

I sorta agree with this a bit more... cuz it's open season, especially at this position. No doubt in my mind Shaq will be a permanent starter! The kid has special talent...also looks like Pickney and Mcloud both have a chance to be in the full rotaiton. Our upperclassman had better perform at a much higher level than before or they will get surpassed. IMO

 

[D_G87]

We have too many decent DE's for them to be DE's right now so they are forced to play LB. I've seen a couple flashes from Smith as a Pass Rushing Specialist, but again so many more talented players on this team who are ahead of him. I hate making assumptions from players when Golden was here, but McCray looked like a big stiff from the small amount of reps he got. Maybe it was scheme (everyone's excuse) but I saw nothing from him that made me think he will ever play a significant role.

McCray and Smith just aren't that good.

From Barry Jackson.

•With Darrion Owens out, UM coaches seem less than thrilled with the other veteran linebackers except Jermaine Grace, of course. Peter Ariz noted that early enrollees Shaquille Quarterman and Mike Pinckney played with the first team (with Grace) at Saturday's scrimmage.

Doesn't seem like a guy like young who a lot of people has hyped up has impressed the staff. Wouldn't be surprised to see mccray and smith get pushed out.

I guess they might bring in 3 this year to replace the older guys.

Smith to me is a DE. Not a LB. But there might not be a role in this defense for him at DE.

McCrary is a DE too. Thats what he played at Ely and had 30 sacks in two years. But again..just might not be a role here for him at that position. They def are not LBs.

But I cant see why they cant be pass rushing LBs like the role they are using for Pinckney. Unless he is just that much better then them at it or they cant do that very good either. Which in that case they really have no role except ST.

 

[bransuperpower]

You mean push them out for "ready to play" freshman that still won't play because they are not better than the 2016 guys and a year before they will be starters they transfer for more play time?

 

[supacane]

Other than Grace those "older" LBs barely have more experience then the Frosh. Owens is another case and I summarize baring lingering injury effects, it will be him and Grace flanking Shaq. With McCloud, Pickney and Young backing them up.

 

[kendallcanes]

I thought it was decent. If Figs, EJ, and Grace were our starting linebackers with the rest backing up, that would be solid in my book.

 

[Billy D Williams]

After this 2017 class, incoming LB'ers in this class and those following will probably be able to RS gain strength and learn the system. Same everywhere else except DB and WR. Gonna take both 2017 and 2018 to get us there. By 2018 we will be feared again and 2019 we'll be in the NC hunt again.

 

[westcoastcanes]

McCray and Smith just aren't that good.

From Barry Jackson.

•With Darrion Owens out, UM coaches seem less than thrilled with the other veteran linebackers except Jermaine Grace, of course. Peter Ariz noted that early enrollees Shaquille Quarterman and Mike Pinckney played with the first team (with Grace) at Saturday's scrimmage.

Doesn't seem like a guy like young who a lot of people has hyped up has impressed the staff. Wouldn't be surprised to see mccray and smith get pushed out.

I guess they might bring in 3 this year to replace the older guys.

They were mistakes from the beginning. Too many people look at a highlight tape and it doesn't sink in that they are watching these two do one thing, and one thing only. Neither of them are big enough to be a DE in a 4-3 at this level, and neither of them displayed any semblance of LB skills/speed.

There are always exceptions, and I am sure someone is going to point to a single player who went on to excel that was a rush end at 6-1 200 coming out of high school as if it is proof these two weren't a mistake, but they never had a chance, and despite their high school sack numbers should not have been takes.

I wish them the best, but they are killing roster spots. They will never pass the true linebackers we recruit (lack the skill set and speed), and will never pass the true DE's we recruit (way to limited by size). Hopefully I am dead wrong and they are both all americans this year, but I would be shocked if either got a meaningful snap.

 

[frostycane]

I just think Young is too big. Guy looks huge and that makes him slow. He could stand to lose about ten plus pounds. I think its basically the JAGS that they have passed. The guys no one really expected to contribute. I never had high hopes for M. Smith, or T. McCray. Didn't LSU pull McCrays offer? That says something. AG just took him to tell people he cleaned up in sofla.

 

[Ayeplus]

Another flaw/virus that must be corrected is fighting off blocks the right way. The entire defense needs to learn how to quickly dismantle blockers! Before.
.... they'd put hands on a blockers chest area then get pushed back 5 yards allowing the runner to easily reach the second level .......or flatout get knocked on their *** allowing the runner to break! I guess younger kids like Shaq and Pickney don't have that mindset so...... maybe the staff is favoring their raw aggressiveness over the slower vet mindset still waiting on the virus scan to finish? Or like another poster said.....maybe the staff is giving them a strong look? My guess is....it's a little bit of both. "If"... the older kids don't improve fast enough, they will indefinitely lose ground in the rotation.

What happening is what Richt said in the beginning of spring. Generally the players with the most experience in the playbook play. Everything is new and fresh, the old players have to scrap everything they were taught. The freshman are learning it all for the first time it's a level playing field so the superior talent will play because everyone's experience is about the same with the playbook.

This is really the point of the day regarding this thread.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Juwon is from Georgia and he couldn't get a Georgia offer, though he wanted one.

That's a bad back story when the coach who wouldn't offer you becomes your coach.

This is nonsense. Juwon is in the mix for a starting role. Even if he doesn't start he'll be a second stringer at a new position for him this year. A new position which makes more sense cause it let's him play aggressive football.