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Ethnicsands said:
These are separate points, no doubt. Any decent coach would stress, teach and drill fundamentals, and it has to start there.

But Manny's scheme is weak and simplistic. It's not about the label 'attacking 4-3' -- those are just words. His combination of upfield DL pressure with terrible edge setting and soft zones is crap. He doesn't disguise blitzes well at all. And his ability to teach kids to recognize things as simple as play action so they can play their role in the scheme properly is weak. Opposing coaches know our O and D better than our own HC seems to. And they show it every weekend. That's not just missed tackles. It's poor coaching.
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It's not a perfect scheme by any means. High risk high reward. And I agree, teams have figured out how to counter it, no pun intended. My point is that if these dudes were making these tackles we would be in a drastically different position, going all the way back to UNC.

From a fundamentals standpoint, it has dramatically gone done hill since Diaz was promoted to HC. From 2017 to 2021, it looks like two dramaticlaly differnet defenses.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
I never been to Florida in my entire life and I love that team.
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The douche bag, yuppy MF’ers, who talk ****, and claim you have to be an alumni to root for Miami. Well, suntan University, was nothing more than just that….. and of course were put on the map when the football and baseball teams started winning national championships.

But please let’s not diminish the gracious university, That is overpriced, and one of the top 150 universities out there. LOL

There’s an article in the New York Times about the University of Miami law department, how horrendously ran and how the students are lied to…. how most of the lawyers that come out of there make no more than $30,000 a year because they have $400,000 worth of school loans.
It’s a great read!
 
BostonCanes47 said:
It's not a perfect scheme by any means. High risk high reward. And I agree, teams have figured out how to counter it, no pun intended. My point is that if these dudes were making these tackles we would be in a drastically different position, going all the way back to UNC.

From a fundamentals standpoint, it has dramatically gone done hill since Diaz was promoted to HC. From 2017 to 2021, it looks like two dramaticlaly differnet defenses.
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Look, obviously the fundamentals have declined and that's part of the issue. I'd include setting the edge and reading cues within fundamentals also.

But the point is manny's 'scheme' isn't really much of anything other than up front pressure from sending DL and poorly disguised blitzes. It sometimes looks good against worse teams with weak OL, for obvious reason. It hasn't worked well against well coached or good teams.

If Manny wants to run a high pressure scheme, you'd think he'd be laser focused on containment and tackling, because those two things are critical when you're sending DL upfield like he does. You'd also think he'd learn something or two about disguising blitzes and bothering to change your looks so opposing coaches can't just watch your last season's film and know what you're doing. Those flaws are on him and not the kids.

Finally, I don't like Manny's combination of weak zone with upfield pressure. It's a pairing rooted in lack of cahones to actually do what his scheme is supposed to do, which is be high risk high reward. He pretends to be that but is scared to get burnt, so he leaves these exploitable holes for any prepared OC to pick apart. That's schematic and on him. You can run a pressure D, confusing blitz packages and pressure man coverage, and you do have a high risk / reward deal there. It's just not what he's doing. I think he's running a shell game to get good TFL stats on the one hand, and mitigate long scoring plays, on the other. It just doesn't translate into a D that really causes problems for opposing OCs.
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
I agree. Nobdoy listens man. Its crazy. When an elite recruiter gets all the talent, he isn't just adding talented players to his own roster. He's preventing other teams from landing that elite talent. So he's not just making his own roster better, he's making the others worse. That's how important it is.
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This is too much common sense I been screaming this at the top of my lungs for years. When I saw Diaz year one recruiting class then looked at the elites I knew he was going to fail. U have to make their rosters weak by getting the guys they want. It's too simple but people think we have the best classes but they don't look at what others are doing.
 
Cajuncane said:
Would love to be ‘01 good but that’s never happening again but being competitive against the BB schools in this sHT conference should be a given..
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I think those teams have similar talent than us that's why those games are toss ups. Especially with the bad coaching we have
 
Dwinstitles said:
This is too much common sense I been screaming this at the top of my lungs for years. When I saw Diaz year one recruiting class then looked at the elites I knew he was going to fail. U have to make their rosters weak by getting the guys they want. It's too simple but people think we have the best classes but they don't look at what others are doing.
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Mane you tryin to play 3D chess. Manny's tryna get the pureed peas out of the bowl with a spoon.

We don't need to target kids for the sake of anything other than we want them. We need to know what we want. It's not just recruiting. I been saying this since the day he was hired. I even started some recruiting process thread to talk about it. We need a plan/strategy. Culture, schemes. Kids who fit, kids who don't. Roster needs and contingency plans. Then we look for what we need. If another competitive school is recruiting them, so what, go after them. But it ain't even about messing them up. It's about learning to walk in a straight line at this point.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
I think those teams have similar talent than us that's why those games are toss ups. Especially with the bad coaching we have
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Rating services say that we have waaay more talent than everyone in the ACC with the exception of Clumpson and possibly North Cryolina…

Our problem is and has been for 15+ years …COACHING !!!!
 
Ethnicsands said:
Mane you tryin to play 3D chess. Manny's tryna get the pureed peas out of the bowl with a spoon.

We don't need to target kids for the sake of anything other than we want them. We need to know what we want. It's not just recruiting. I been saying this since the day he was hired. I even started some recruiting process thread to talk about it. We need a plan/strategy. Culture, schemes. Kids who fit, kids who don't. Roster needs and contingency plans. Then we look for what we need. If another competitive school is recruiting them, so what, go after them. But it ain't even about messing them up. It's about learning to walk in a straight line at this point.
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We need first rounders...and when I mean first rounders. When they step on the practice field day one they are sticking out and dominating. Those are the types of players I want. The Sean Taylors the Amari Coopers the Dalvin Cooks. U know what u have day one when they step on the practice field. That's how we always won and until we get those kids we will stink.
 
who said:
After you get pegged by your wife, come back and try to defend Diass again. It’s amusing.
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Almost as amusing as your obsession with me. You just can’t quit me.

Borderline creepy, you constantly @ing me, but you keep doing you.
 
who said:
After you get pegged by your wife, come back and try to defend Diass again. It’s amusing.
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I think he’s done with doing that. We all know the road ahead is rough and then there’ll be a fork in the road. We always ***** up at the fork in the road. Hopefully we take the correct road this time.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
We need first rounders...and when I mean first rounders. When they step on the practice field day one they are sticking out and dominating. Those are the types of players I want. The Sean Taylors the Amari Coopers the Dalvin Cooks. U know what u have day one when they step on the practice field. That's how we always won and until we get those kids we will stink.
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I hear you, but we're a car crash victim in an ICU ward and you're talking about what sneakers we need to run competitively. We're a long way from that being our biggest need. More immediately important is we need to re-learn to make our limbs work and walk. We need tough kids, depth, roster integrity (no gaping holes), competitiveness, discipline. We don't need more shiny objects. We need rehab. That's my new metaphor. You convinced me. We're a drunk at 4 am after the club closed, and someone asks why we're puking in the street and we blame the crappy vodka we drank all night. Then they say 'what could I get you to help?' and we say 'need better vodka ... Greg Goose please.' That's where we're at, sadly.
 
BostonCanes47 said:
It's not a perfect scheme by any means. High risk high reward. And I agree, teams have figured out how to counter it, no pun intended. My point is that if these dudes were making these tackles we would be in a drastically different position, going all the way back to UNC.

From a fundamentals standpoint, it has dramatically gone done hill since Diaz was promoted to HC. From 2017 to 2021, it looks like two dramaticlaly differnet defenses.
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The tackling problem is absolutely related to the scheme problem.

We run a different defensive scheme than any other team. Specifically we put less premium on gap integrity and rush lane control in favor of bringing pressure in hopes of creating havoc.

The consequence of this is that for most other teams their guys are making tackles in phone booths because gaps and rush lanes are being maintained. Conversely our guys are put in position of having to make tackles in open space because there's frequently no gap or lane control. There will inevitably be a different rate of success for guys making tackles in phone booths vs guys having to make tackles in open space.

There are certainly many issues at play here, and this is not to excuse real instances of bad tackling. But the scheme does play a part in this too.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I hear you, but we're a car crash victim in an ICU ward and you're talking about what sneakers we need to run competitively. We're a long way from that being our biggest need. More immediately important is we need to re-learn to make our limbs work and walk. We need tough kids, depth, roster integrity (no gaping holes), competitiveness, discipline. We don't need more shiny objects. We need rehab. That's my new metaphor. You convinced me. We're a drunk at 4 am after the club closed, and someone asks why we're puking in the street and we blame the crappy vodka we drank all night. Then they say 'what could I get you to help?' and we say 'need better vodka ... Greg Goose please.' That's where we're at, sadly.
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I hear you it's a mixture of both. But like Kentucky getting **** and bama until Saban. Those schools got **** until those guys got there. They were a mess roster wise. The minute those guys took over they got the best of the best then everything slowly started to change. Practice became harder and by year three (not Kentucky cause one and dones) those dudes had NFL practices. Not cause of x and O's it was cause they had a different dog practicing monsters who wanted it.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Almost as amusing as your obsession with me. You just can’t quit me.

Borderline creepy, you constantly @ing me, but you keep doing you.
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Don’t feel too special. I’m coming after all slurpers.

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