Anthony Moten update

[SFbayCane]

whos better coming out of St Thomas, Moten or Hamilton

Moten IMO

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

 

[User-4525]

I thought he wasn't "trying to go to college and get loss in the system".

Did UF's depth chart suddenly become more appealing to him within the last few weeks?

like i said before, the whole 'uf doesn't want him' talk was bull****. he does and has had an offer. but he is not one that coaches are gonna wait on as there are a few guys above him who the coaches will absolutely wait on.

my guess is he decomitted from uf fearing he'd 'get lost in the system' aka not get immediate playing time thinking he was going to get it at USCe, fsu, or miami. but neither of those three are waiting on him either. it seems golden is hitting that position hard through the juco ranks to supplement the guys you're still recruiting and he sees that. oh well, gotta earn it wherever you go.

I definitely don't think FSU will wait on him. I doubt they are even recruiting him that hard right now. They have 5 DTs currently committed. Us on the other hand would definitely wait for him unless we get a DT oh his same skill level to commit (I.e. Elisha shaw even tho it's not likely). Even right after he committed to UF we've been on him hard and trying to consistently get him on campus. I think ideally we would want a JUCO DT & a upper echelon DT from HS/prep. Jenkins is more a project than Valentine (who will get some burn as a fresh due to current depth chart).

 

[rudebuddha]

whos better coming out of St Thomas, Moten or Hamilton

Moten IMO

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

 

[gcane44]

Moten IMO

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

 

[mianjomar]

Moten IMO

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Vince Wilfolk.

 

[rudebuddha]

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Vince Wilfolk.

Even the great Vince Wilfork didn't start one game for us as a freshman or sophomore. I looked up his stats. He had 1 sack as a freshman, 7 as a sophomore. It was his junior year where he really dominated.
Just goes to show its tough for freshmen to make the adjustment as linemen. Even the greats need some time to develop physically and gain experience.

 

[asfasfasf]

This kid is weird. Im shocked UF even wants him back after his comments. Its not like buddy is a super duper stud. Also, his actions are very "Un-STA like". These kids are usually low key, straight forward, and not wishy-washy. Moten is the first STA kid i can remember in a long time that is handling his recruitment like this.

both bosa's are freaks

 

[asfasfasf]

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Vince Wilfolk.

Even the great Vince Wilfork didn't start one game for us as a freshman or sophomore. I looked up his stats. He had 1 sack as a freshman, 7 as a sophomore. It was his junior year where he really dominated.
Just goes to show its tough for freshmen to make the adjustment as linemen. Even the greats need some time to develop physically and gain experience.

do you mean tackles? 7 sacks is pretty **** good. 1 sack for a DT as a freshman is pretty good.

 

[rudebuddha]

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Vince Wilfolk.

Even the great Vince Wilfork didn't start one game for us as a freshman or sophomore. I looked up his stats. He had 1 sack as a freshman, 7 as a sophomore. It was his junior year where he really dominated.
Just goes to show its tough for freshmen to make the adjustment as linemen. Even the greats need some time to develop physically and gain experience.

do you mean tackles? 7 sacks is pretty **** good. 1 sack for a DT as a freshman is pretty good.

7 sacks as a sophomore. He was impressive. My point was that he didn't start for 2 years. Although by the time he was a junior he was regarded as pretty much the best dt in the country.
My real point is that with d linemen, as we all know, you have to give them time to develop.
Just like in the pros for rookies. Sapp looked mediocre at best as a rookie, now he's in the Hall Of Fame. Very rare for the big boys to make jumps to college and the pros and be immediate stars. The physical and mental adjustments are extremely daunting.

 

[SFbayCane]

Moten IMO

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

My analysis and D-tackle call were based on seeing him in high school, not as a freshman at UM.

 

[AllbouttheU]

Moten is going play recruiting games up until NSD. Don't trust what this kid does.

 

[WillRod]

This kid is weird. Im shocked UF even wants him back after his comments. Its not like buddy is a super duper stud. Also, his actions are very "Un-STA like". These kids are usually low key, straight forward, and not wishy-washy. Moten is the first STA kid i can remember in a long time that is handling his recruitment like this.

both bosa's are freaks

The other weird recruitment was M. Robinson. Dude committed to Auburn, de-committed, committed again. Not the norm with STA players that is for sure

 

[Jassid82]

WillRod, from what you know is he the type of talent that Muschamp would wait for until NSD? I dont see it. Im not that big a fan Moten. If we get him great, if we dont it wont be like losing Cook (officially) which would hurt more. Is he high on the big board?

 

[The Dude]

+1.

I was never really impressed with anything that I saw from Jelani Hamilton, aside from his measurables.

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

To piggy back on SFCane's point, my analysis has nothing to do with his freshmen year campaign. I am saying from a physical standpoint and the way he played in high school I was never really high on him as a DE prospect. Doesn't have the burst, speed off of the edge. Quite frankly, I don't know if he is strong enough to play DT either. He greatly benefitted from being bigger then everyone else in High School.

Not a knock on the kid because I hope he proves me dead wrong. Wish him the best.

 

[westcoastcanes]

And that continues into his second year of college. I was never high on the kid and when i first saw him on campus he doesn't look like a DE. He has a gut and is just a tall big kid. I hope he proves me wrong but I think he is a JAG.

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

To piggy back on SFCane's point, my analysis has nothing to do with his freshmen year campaign. I am saying from a physical standpoint and the way he played in high school I was never really high on him as a DE prospect. Doesn't have the burst, speed off of the edge. Quite frankly, I don't know if he is strong enough to play DT either. He greatly benefitted from being bigger then everyone else in High School.

Not a knock on the kid because I hope he proves me dead wrong. Wish him the best.

says he is slow, lacks explosion, and is not strong enough, and calls him a jag

but it is not a knock on the kid.

strange looking compliment.

 

[The Dude]

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

To piggy back on SFCane's point, my analysis has nothing to do with his freshmen year campaign. I am saying from a physical standpoint and the way he played in high school I was never really high on him as a DE prospect. Doesn't have the burst, speed off of the edge. Quite frankly, I don't know if he is strong enough to play DT either. He greatly benefitted from being bigger then everyone else in High School.

Not a knock on the kid because I hope he proves me dead wrong. Wish him the best.

says he is slow, lacks explosion, and is not strong enough, and calls him a jag

but it is not a knock on the kid.

strange looking compliment.

In the big business of D1 football either you are good or you aren't. It is not an attack on the kids character, drive, toughness, hard work. I think he hit his ceiling in high school. Nothing wrong with playing your way to a 4-year scholarship and getting a degree. Not everyone makes it to the NFL.

 

[gcane44]

In the big business of D1 football either you are good or you aren't. It is not an attack on the kids character, drive, toughness, hard work. I think he hit his ceiling in high school. Nothing wrong with playing your way to a 4-year scholarship and getting a degree. Not everyone makes it to the NFL.

Can't hate on your opinion. IMO Hamilton held his own pretty **** well for the few snaps he was out there as a freshman. He will never be a speed rusher. I think he is probably best suited as a 3-4 DE. And he might have some opportunity to play some of that in his next 3 years here. I cannot at all get behind your statement that "he hit his ceiling in high school." That's kinda preposterous IMO, because he is all potential

 

[westcoastcanes]

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

To piggy back on SFCane's point, my analysis has nothing to do with his freshmen year campaign. I am saying from a physical standpoint and the way he played in high school I was never really high on him as a DE prospect. Doesn't have the burst, speed off of the edge. Quite frankly, I don't know if he is strong enough to play DT either. He greatly benefitted from being bigger then everyone else in High School.

Not a knock on the kid because I hope he proves me dead wrong. Wish him the best.

says he is slow, lacks explosion, and is not strong enough, and calls him a jag

but it is not a knock on the kid.

strange looking compliment.

In the big business of D1 football either you are good or you aren't. It is not an attack on the kids character, drive, toughness, hard work. I think he hit his ceiling in high school. Nothing wrong with playing your way to a 4-year scholarship and getting a degree. Not everyone makes it to the NFL.

so it is not a knock unless you pick out one of his intangibles?

 

[SFbayCane]

I remember writing that I felt he should immediately move to D tackle once on campus. He simply does not have the motor for D end. Also has a subpar burst IMO.

Wasn't Jelanie Hamilton still working his way back from a blown out knee last year? Wasn't he also a freshman? Anybody ever remember a freshman d lineman other than Clowney who made a big impact?

Last hurricane I remember is rusty medearis who had something like 20 sacks his first couple years until blowing his knee out.

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

To piggy back on SFCane's point, my analysis has nothing to do with his freshmen year campaign. I am saying from a physical standpoint and the way he played in high school I was never really high on him as a DE prospect. Doesn't have the burst, speed off of the edge. Quite frankly, I don't know if he is strong enough to play DT either. He greatly benefitted from being bigger then everyone else in High School.

Not a knock on the kid because I hope he proves me dead wrong. Wish him the best.

says he is slow, lacks explosion, and is not strong enough, and calls him a jag

but it is not a knock on the kid.

strange looking compliment.

As a Discussion Moderator, this is the type of structure I like seeing when being critical of our kids. His opinions are honest yet not demeaning to the kid personally.

It is what it is. We're all here discussing the football prowess of 17-23 year old kids, many of whom will not pan out as elite D1 athletes. Kudo's to The Dude for his tact...

...and for agreeing with me. Clearly that adds to his value on this site.

 

[The Dude]

Yeah I think some dismissing Hamilton is a little overboard. I like Moten better as a prospect coming out of STA because I like Moten a lot. But, I do think Jelani will be a solid contributor starting this season. He has talent

To piggy back on SFCane's point, my analysis has nothing to do with his freshmen year campaign. I am saying from a physical standpoint and the way he played in high school I was never really high on him as a DE prospect. Doesn't have the burst, speed off of the edge. Quite frankly, I don't know if he is strong enough to play DT either. He greatly benefitted from being bigger then everyone else in High School.

Not a knock on the kid because I hope he proves me dead wrong. Wish him the best.

says he is slow, lacks explosion, and is not strong enough, and calls him a jag

but it is not a knock on the kid.

strange looking compliment.

In the big business of D1 football either you are good or you aren't. It is not an attack on the kids character, drive, toughness, hard work. I think he hit his ceiling in high school. Nothing wrong with playing your way to a 4-year scholarship and getting a degree. Not everyone makes it to the NFL.

so it is not a knock unless you pick out one of his intangibles?

I consider it to be a knock had I said, "he sucks and he is worthless. We should pull his scholly so we can bring in someone who will give us more depth so we get back to reloading....The U baby...Swagger...It's a Cane thing!" <- How some posters on this site justify their criticism of our players.

My opinion is no way is an indictment of Jelani. As I originally said, I hope the kid proves me dead wrong. It is just my opinion and what I feel when I look at him on film.

GCane44, I do agree with you that he is better suited to play end in a 3-4. In regards to "his ceiling" comment I mis-spoke. Perhaps I went too far and hyperbole got the better of me.