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Another Herman Thread

The Shannon and Coker hires were exactly the opposite of gambling. Golden was the one gamble.

I have watched several UH games, and followed them (and Herman) closely. A few points:

1. Ideal situation for Herman: Houston was the perfect fit for TH. Greg Ward, Kenneth Farrow & Demarcus Ayers are the ideal players at their position for his Power Spread O. His quick success is as much about his coaching acumen as it is about having his type of players right away.

2. Herman understands the importance of local recruiting. TH made it his top priority to lock down local recruiting, and has accomplished that by snagging several local high profile recruits (including 5* DTs). While one has already decommitted, I think it shows his understanding of and ability to go after local recruits.

3. Herman calls a great game. TH is a phenomenal playcaller. There offense is incredible to watch. In a common metaphor that is used right now in sports, TH seems like he is playing chess while his opponent is playing checkers. Note: It could be that Greg Ward, Jr would make any coach look like a genius with his ability to run. He is the best athlete on the field playing QB & completing 70+% of his passes.

4. Herman's Defense is a fast and aggressive 3-4. Herman poached the DC from Utah State, Todd Orlando, to run the defense that he wanted. Todd Orlando has produced some really good defenses.

Overall: TH is a brilliant offensive mind that already has shown in a very short period of time that he understands what it takes to be successful as a HC (ie emphasize local recruiting, hire top level coordinators, & excellent in-game coaching)

Just watch UH play tonight and decide for yourself.

Here is a great Q&A with TH that was done this Summer that will you more insight into who he is & how he thinks: The Statesman Interview: Tom Herman | News OK
 
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JayyJr said:
So you guys want a coach that's proven absolutely nothing at the FBS level, that's exactly how we got Al Molden and look how it's turned out. Stop clamoring for a coach just because he's won his first couple of games, he's a rookie head coach learning on the job at an AAC school. You guys are setting the bar really low for coaches, are you going to do the same for wins?
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He's been a winner at every stage so far. He just won a national championship with a third string QB. When he was with Rice their offense was top ten in the nation. Rice! He has enough of a track record to judge just do some research
 
How badass is kicking boosters out of first class for your lineman? That's a Miami guy. Even talks about building fences around Houston and making them the new Miami. Now he can just make Miami, Miami again.
 
I think Herman is the best/2nd best candidate of the watch to see what happens pool.

If he does the following:

1. Win the conference,

2. Win 10 games before the bowl game, and

3. Beats Memphis

I think it is a no-brainer. His team is averaging 46.4 PPG and is winning by an average of 22.2 PPG. He also went into UL and beat them.

On the flip side, if Fuente does the following:

1. Win the conference (again),

2. Win 10 games before the bowl game, and

3. Beats Houston

He would be my pick over Herman. Also, if Fuente is able to beat Ole Miss this weekend, what more would you want?
 
Herman is such an excellent, no-brainer option that our administration probably doesn't even realize he exists. And they can't try to spin that he'd be too expensive. Makes over a million less than Golden per year. Has a buyout that's just 1/3rd the size of McElwain's. Open the f***ing checkbook and make him an offer he can't refuse.

If this administration doesn't fumble this coaching search to have it end up being a decision between a bunch of uninspiring retreads and unqualified hacks, I'll be shocked. They're going to listen to to the same people who wanted Coker to be Butch's successor and we're going to end up with some outdated "Miami man" who keeps this program behind the times.
 
You cats have gotten me to buy in on Herman. If Texas opens up it'll be an east $$$ decision for him. If not he may not view the U job any better than UH given the lack of Administrative support and dedication to the football program. I still say our best chances with "landing" a good ball coach lies with Butch and Schiano.
 
01Canes said:
Herman is such an excellent, no-brainer option that our administration probably doesn't even realize he exists. And they can't try to spin that he'd be too expensive. Makes over a million less than Golden per year. Has a buyout that's just 1/3rd the size of McElwain's. Open the f***ing checkbook and make him an offer he can't refuse.

If this administration doesn't fumble this coaching search to have it end up being a decision between a bunch of uninspiring retreads and unqualified hacks, I'll be shocked. They're going to listen to to the same people who wanted Coker to be Butch's successor and we're going to end up with some outdated "Miami man" who keeps this program behind the times.
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It wouldn't be because of money. His salary and buyout are very small.

IMO: It would be because of

1. Incompetence (we don't know about him or don't value him),

2. Too Late (he accepts another job), or

3. Ignorance (we interview him and don't like his "attitude")

As for the money...

His current contract is a five-year deal worth $6.75 million. The $1.35 million annual base salary is the highest for a football coach in Houston's history. His buyout is another 2.25 M.

Neither of these are difficult to beat/pay. Golden makes between 2.3-2.5 base.

Ignoring the buyout part. If you offer him a contract of 4 years for $12M (base salary), that would be more than double his current salary. Florida, like Texas, has not state income tax, so that doesn't change things for him. In addition, if you commit another 3.25-3.5 M for his staff (3.5M would be the 11th highest paid staff and 3.25 would be the 18th highest paid staff).

As for the buy-out, it is chump change. We received a windfall from Maryland leaving the ACC (1M+). We make more from Adidas and from the ACC new TV deal.

If he took the 3M deal from us and we said no buyout (as in pay it yourself), he would still make an additional 3M over the life of our deal (12M - 6.75M - 2.25M).
 
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Consigliere said:
I think Herman is the best/2nd best candidate of the watch to see what happens pool.

If he does the following:

1. Win the conference,

2. Win 10 games before the bowl game, and

3. Beats Memphis

I think it is a no-brainer. His team is averaging 46.4 PPG and is winning by an average of 22.2 PPG. He also went into UL and beat them.

On the flip side, if Fuente does the following:

1. Win the conference (again),

2. Win 10 games before the bowl game, and

3. Beats Houston

He would be my pick over Herman. Also, if Fuente is able to beat Ole Miss this weekend, what more would you want?
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^^^ All of THIS.

November 14th, Memphis at Houston = One of them should be the next Miami HC.

And if Memphis beats Ole Miss tomorrow, Blake James better head to Memphis BEFORE November 14th!
 
CaneInTheBrain said:
Herman is Mike Leach

Texas Tech was pretty good too, that one year
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Still waiting for you to explain how Kevin Sumlin was able to turn around Texas A&M immediately AFTER Mike Sherman was fired for his inability to do so ...

How did a guy from Conference USA do a better job than the guy from the NFL???
 
CaneInTheBrain said:
Herman is Mike Leach

Texas Tech was pretty good too, that one year
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In what planet? Leach has always been a one trick pony. Herman has been successful at every stop. He has the players playing aggressive on defense and take great care of his players. He treats lineman like royalty because he knows they win games. Scrappy comparison just because you don't know much about the guy
 
The more I read about TH, the more unlikely I believe it is that he comes to a school like UM. He seems like a no nonsense guy who won't accept anything less then the best from his players, staff, school admin, and heck even boosters!

UM has never hired anyone with that track record. As stated earlier, the last 4 coaches at UM (a 20 year span) were 'safe' hires with conservative roots. Butch was a disciplinarian who was gonna clean up the program. Coker was the quiet, positive coach that was well liked by players and admin. Randy was the cheap lifelong co-ordinator that would clean up the program and serve as a mentor to our 'inner-city' players. And, AG was the 'up and comming' coach who would revive our program with pillars and a well documented process. None of these hires are flashy and progressive. AG was really the only one who got the fanbase excited.

TH seems like a no-brainer for any school looking to be relevant again. The guy has the skills and pedigree to be a really successful HC at a major program. But he isn't the type of coach UM has hired before and that makes me sick. The guy would kill down here! If we end up with cristobal, I'm done!
 
Tonight won't really show you anything. Houston is going to MURDER Tulane tonight. I'm a Tulane alum, and Tulane is playing like us, like they've given up on their coach. Also, Tulane's QB is out with a concussion, and their backup is a black Kirby Freeman. Lastly, Tulane went into Houston and beat Houston at their homecoming last year. Houston is going to come in and beat Tulane like Houston beat SMU in 1989.....95-21. Except Tulane won't score 21.
 
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KevinCaneFace said:
CaneInTheBrain said:
Herman is Mike Leach

Texas Tech was pretty good too, that one year
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In what planet? Leach has always been a one trick pony. Herman has been successful at every stop. He has the players playing aggressive on defense and take great care of his players. He treats lineman like royalty because he knows they win games. Scrappy comparison just because you don't know much about the guy
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Nobody knows much about the guy. He's been a head coach for 5 games.

You're naive if you think he wouldn't be learning on the job at Miami. Is this program in a place where we want a guy who will have to learn the ropes as he goes?
 
CaneInTheBrain said:
KevinCaneFace said:
CaneInTheBrain said:
Herman is Mike Leach

Texas Tech was pretty good too, that one year
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In what planet? Leach has always been a one trick pony. Herman has been successful at every stop. He has the players playing aggressive on defense and take great care of his players. He treats lineman like royalty because he knows they win games. Scrappy comparison just because you don't know much about the guy
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Nobody knows much about the guy. He's been a head coach for 5 games.

You're naive if you think he wouldn't be learning on the job at Miami. Is this program in a place where we want a guy who will have to learn the ropes as he goes?
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What exactly will he have to learn? That makes no sense? The biggest thing he may have to do which he may not like is be more of an ambassador to our boosters than he would if he went to a bigger school with a mores established/well funded booster system.

I think that is a part of the program a lot of coaches don't like about UM. At big time schools, the money flows regardless. At UM, the coach has to suck up to the community to generate support. Just my .02
 
CaneInTheBrain said:
KevinCaneFace said:
CaneInTheBrain said:
Herman is Mike Leach

Texas Tech was pretty good too, that one year
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In what planet? Leach has always been a one trick pony. Herman has been successful at every stop. He has the players playing aggressive on defense and take great care of his players. He treats lineman like royalty because he knows they win games. Scrappy comparison just because you don't know much about the guy
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Nobody knows much about the guy. He's been a head coach for 5 games.

You're naive if you think he wouldn't be learning on the job at Miami. Is this program in a place where we want a guy who will have to learn the ropes as he goes?
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Good coaches are good coaches. All he would need is a good DC because his offense is killer and his last three QB's finished top ten in QBR.
 
Notsince1985 said:
Tonight won't really show you anything. Houston is going to MURDER Tulane tonight. I'm a Tulane alum, and Tulane is playing like us, like they've given up on their coach. Also, Tulane's QB is out with a concussion, and their backup is a black Kirby Freeman. Lastly, Tulane went into Houston and beat Houston at their homecoming last year. Houston is going to come in and beat Tulane like Houston beat SMU in 1989.....95-21. Except Tulane won't score 21.
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If he's as good as the hype I expect to see a massacre.

I want a coach that doesn't call off the dogs.
 
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