Andrew chatfield offered by UF

[ILCane2011]

Every now and then one of these shorter DE ends up being excellent, but it's very tough to predict.

UM and (other big boys at the time) passed on Elvis Dumervil for instance. He was a 6'0 235 DE that ran a 4.85. And he's done nothing but be a beast since.

Not saying Chatfield is going to be Dumervil...Just saying. It can happen, and the kid seems to have a motor.

On the other hand we can all see the reasons that Kuhl seems to prefer some length at the position.

For every Dumervil, there's far more kids who turn out like Mike Smith.

Smith had 20 sacks against elite competition in one year of HS. Almost identical frame, speed, and physical attributes. And he can't play DE here.

I'd love for Rattler or Gogeta (without resorting to personal attacks for once) to explain what seperates Chatfield from Smith as DE prospects.

If we need to offer Chatfield to get Silvera and Campbell, then obviously do it. Otherwise, questioning Kool on DE prospects is just absurd. The guy is universally considered the best in the business. If he thinks Rousseau can be a great DE, I believe him.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Two different type of athletes with two different types of bodies.

Rosseau has an intriguing upside but there is no question who the most college ready player out the two

How is Chatfield "college ready"? He didn't win a single rep vs OTs at the Opening, and he looked terrible against 15 year olds at our camp.

He's 220 lbs and his only pass rush move is a speed rush to the outside. He's a project who needs a couple years in the weight room and working on technique wherever he goes

Watch in pads where he dominated on his film at American heritage. 1 on 1s without pads is not real football. Out at the opening he won and loss some reps. What he has shown on film is that he can get after the qb

Are you his dad?

That would imply that at some point in his life broke had *** with a woman.

I think we can safely rule his paternity out.

It's probably just a crush.

 

[ILCane2011]

Watch in pads where he dominated on his film at American heritage. 1 on 1s without pads is not real football. Out at the opening he won and loss some reps. What he has shown on film is that he can get after the qb

Ok. Is he going to play American Heritage's schedule in high school? He's a good high school player, but recruiting is about seeing who will be the best college player. I looked at AHS schedule and it seems like he may have faced off with 1 P5 OT.

Joe Jackson had like 6 sacks his last year of HS, should we not have taken him?

Kool wants tall, long athletic freaks. Chatfield just isn't that

He whipped up on 2 Power 5 ot's just in practice at AH with one being expected to play for us. AH has played iMG and a bunch of national schools where Chatfield has made plays against big time players. You really need to do your history.

AHS played IMG last year? That's weird, maybe you need to do your history.

And everybody know Herbert wasn't at his best last year because he was (and I'm not surprised you ignored this) playing hurt.

Again, if he wasn't a Heritage kid, he wouldn't even have a OSU or UF offer. I didn't say he can't play college football. I think he'd be solid at a 3-4 school like Wisconsin. He just doesn't fit what we want in a DE and he's not athletic enough to be a 4-3 OLB.

I'm not sure why it's that difficult to understand. There are plenty of good players this staff doesn't think are fits. Yet Chatfield is the one everyone freaks out about

He didn't say they played them last year. His 10th grade year they did and he outperformed Burns. You need to do your history. Prop Joe, you know we see eye to eye on Drew and you're telling the 100% truth. Drew never saw JV at AH, even Cuz can't say the same. If he was at Carol City(his home school) he'd be doing the same **** thing. Look, the kid is **** near my nephew but if the staff doesn't believe he's a fit I'm cool. But a JAG like a lot of yall in this thread think, he's the furthest thing from it. Count me among those who feel if Toolbox can play here, Drew definitely can...

If I were in your position, I'd advise Chatfield to stay away from UF (and not because I hate UF).

UF literally only wants him because they think it will help with Tyson/Silvera. Go read on any UF board. None of them are excited about Chatfield, they're excited about Chat + Silvera or Chat + Campbell. Also, look no further than their WR recruiting. They already have 5 commits but they've told Schwartz they want him and will figure out the #s (hint: drop at least 2) later.

If Chatfield commits to UF, Mac will drop him right before NSD if neither Silvera nor Campbell come with. Mac's rep as a complete ******* shouldn't need any explanation.

I honestly can't see why Chatfield wouldn't go to a school that actually wants him, and not just an AH package. LSU and Wisconsin would both be great fits, since it seems like his best spot is as a 3-4 OLB. UF would be a huge mistake for him, and everyone who has his ear should be real with him about it

 

[ChosenOne]

Watching Chatfield film and camps. I'm not to sure about offering. He is more of a 3-4 Edge guy. He is not quick or agile enough to be a DE, Not big enough to play DT, and he is not fluent enough to be a LB in the 4-3 scheme. I think Miami would be a poor fit for him because he would most likely be a OLB in our scheme and he just doesn't have good enough quickness that is crucial for players in the 4-3 to have. It would feel like putting a smaller version of Chad Thomas at LB. Plus I trust the guy who can spot a 2 star and turn him into a 1st round pick.. it not Kul's first rodeo he knows what kind of tools the kid would need out of HS before he started working w/ him.

 

[SpikeUM]

Isnt 21 pages on a player not coming here enough?

 

[The Franchise]

Chatfield should go to Temple or Northern Illinois or somewhere like that and dominate. He won't get swallowed up there. 6'1 DEs with 5 flat speed don't typically rip **** up at the marquee P5 level.

He has wayyyyy better offers than those two listed.

I'm aware of his offers. I'm not so sure how many of them are contingent upon him bringing Tyson and Nesta with him.

My opinion is that he should go to a G5 program and shine. I am unaware of too many 6'1 DEs with 5 flat speed who have killed it at the marquee P5 level.

 

[The Franchise]

TBH if Chatfield became the next Dwight Freeney, the only way this situation ends in a negative for Miami is if we miss on an impactful DE. If whoever ends up at DE this cycle becomes a monster under Kul, then it won't matter how good Chatfield does.

Freeney was a 4.5 forty guy.

 

[RattlerCane305]

Ok. Is he going to play American Heritage's schedule in high school? He's a good high school player, but recruiting is about seeing who will be the best college player. I looked at AHS schedule and it seems like he may have faced off with 1 P5 OT.

Joe Jackson had like 6 sacks his last year of HS, should we not have taken him?

Kool wants tall, long athletic freaks. Chatfield just isn't that

He whipped up on 2 Power 5 ot's just in practice at AH with one being expected to play for us. AH has played iMG and a bunch of national schools where Chatfield has made plays against big time players. You really need to do your history.

AHS played IMG last year? That's weird, maybe you need to do your history.

And everybody know Herbert wasn't at his best last year because he was (and I'm not surprised you ignored this) playing hurt.

Again, if he wasn't a Heritage kid, he wouldn't even have a OSU or UF offer. I didn't say he can't play college football. I think he'd be solid at a 3-4 school like Wisconsin. He just doesn't fit what we want in a DE and he's not athletic enough to be a 4-3 OLB.

I'm not sure why it's that difficult to understand. There are plenty of good players this staff doesn't think are fits. Yet Chatfield is the one everyone freaks out about

He didn't say they played them last year. His 10th grade year they did and he outperformed Burns. You need to do your history. Prop Joe, you know we see eye to eye on Drew and you're telling the 100% truth. Drew never saw JV at AH, even Cuz can't say the same. If he was at Carol City(his home school) he'd be doing the same **** thing. Look, the kid is **** near my nephew but if the staff doesn't believe he's a fit I'm cool. But a JAG like a lot of yall in this thread think, he's the furthest thing from it. Count me among those who feel if Toolbox can play here, Drew definitely can...

If I were in your position, I'd advise Chatfield to stay away from UF (and not because I hate UF).

UF literally only wants him because they think it will help with Tyson/Silvera. Go read on any UF board. None of them are excited about Chatfield, they're excited about Chat + Silvera or Chat + Campbell. Also, look no further than their WR recruiting. They already have 5 commits but they've told Schwartz they want him and will figure out the #s (hint: drop at least 2) later.

If Chatfield commits to UF, Mac will drop him right before NSD if neither Silvera nor Campbell come with. Mac's rep as a complete ******* shouldn't need any explanation.

I honestly can't see why Chatfield wouldn't go to a school that actually wants him, and not just an AH package. LSU and Wisconsin would both be great fits, since it seems like his best spot is as a 3-4 OLB. UF would be a huge mistake for him, and everyone who has his ear should be real with him about it

I can definitely agree with your sentiments...

 

[gogeta4]

Every now and then one of these shorter DE ends up being excellent, but it's very tough to predict.

UM and (other big boys at the time) passed on Elvis Dumervil for instance. He was a 6'0 235 DE that ran a 4.85. And he's done nothing but be a beast since.

Not saying Chatfield is going to be Dumervil...Just saying. It can happen, and the kid seems to have a motor.

On the other hand we can all see the reasons that Kuhl seems to prefer some length at the position.

For every Dumervil, there's far more kids who turn out like Mike Smith.

Smith had 20 sacks against elite competition in one year of HS. Almost identical frame, speed, and physical attributes. And he can't play DE here.

I'd love for Rattler or Gogeta (without resorting to personal attacks for once) to explain what seperates Chatfield from Smith as DE prospects.

If we need to offer Chatfield to get Silvera and Campbell, then obviously do it. Otherwise, questioning Kool on DE prospects is just absurd. The guy is universally considered the best in the business. If he thinks Rousseau can be a great DE, I believe him.

Mike Smikth never had his get off or lateral movement imo. Mike Smith wrapped up those stats when he was like the best player on mnw d with artie burns... Chatfield has played with another elite de in Burns and looked just as good and countless other power 5 defenders in his front 7 and has been the top dog on that d for awhile.

And again Mike Smith has shown to be a solid pick up for us as he is a nice rotational player in the two deep at linebacker. Not every one you recruit will be a starter or all american. Also you look at what you have at your spot on the recruiting cycle. We have young guys in Jackson, Garvin who look to be prime guys for the next 2 years...

Im not saying he's a scheme fit here and obviously Kool saw him in camp setting. But he aint a bum like some are saying dude is being recruited by most of the big dogs...He's not some sympathy offer lol. Currently in my opinion he is a way better player at DE than Rousseau..who we have nothing on film of him actually playing de...not even camp work.

 

[brock]

Every now and then one of these shorter DE ends up being excellent, but it's very tough to predict.

UM and (other big boys at the time) passed on Elvis Dumervil for instance. He was a 6'0 235 DE that ran a 4.85. And he's done nothing but be a beast since.

Not saying Chatfield is going to be Dumervil...Just saying. It can happen, and the kid seems to have a motor.

On the other hand we can all see the reasons that Kuhl seems to prefer some length at the position.

For every Dumervil, there's far more kids who turn out like Mike Smith.

Smith had 20 sacks against elite competition in one year of HS. Almost identical frame, speed, and physical attributes. And he can't play DE here.

I'd love for Rattler or Gogeta (without resorting to personal attacks for once) to explain what seperates Chatfield from Smith as DE prospects.

If we need to offer Chatfield to get Silvera and Campbell, then obviously do it. Otherwise, questioning Kool on DE prospects is just absurd. The guy is universally considered the best in the business. If he thinks Rousseau can be a great DE, I believe him.

Mike Smikth never had his get off or lateral movement imo. Mike Smith wrapped up those stats when he was like the best player on mnw d with artie burns... Chatfield has played with another elite de in Burns and looked just as good and countless other power 5 defenders in his front 7 and has been the top dog on that d for awhile.

And again Mike Smith has shown to be a solid pick up for us as he is a nice rotational player in the two deep at linebacker. Not every one you recruit will be a starter or all american. Also you look at what you have at your spot on the recruiting cycle. We have young guys in Jackson, Garvin who look to be prime guys for the next 2 years...

Im not saying he's a scheme fit here and obviously Kool saw him in camp setting. But he aint a bum like some are saying dude is being recruited by most of the big dogs...He's not some sympathy offer lol. Currently in my opinion he is a way better player at DE than Rousseau..who we have nothing on film of him actually playing de...not even camp work.

Exactly , fully agree with everything in this post