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And so it begins.. SEC & BIG flexing

dycane said:
Also, way too many good football players for this to happen absent major expansion of those two conferences.
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Hard to see how members of Congress don't get involved if the P2 do try to break off on their own with their current make-up as long as non-profit status, federal funding, and state funding are still involved. A lot of emotions tied to people's alma maters, the teams that play for them, and the pride of having a seat at the table.

Plus, imagine a college football world where Mississippi, Tennessee, Indiana, and Alabama have the same number of schools available for the recognized college playoff as California, Florida, Georgia, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Texas, and Arizona combined? I know I'm watching whatever level Miami is playing.
 
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JTKoval said:
I would think ESPN would not like the SEC destroying its other properties or refusing to play them.

“Thank you for the big money. Btw, we are gonna refuse to play the ACC and Big 12. Oh, and we are excluding them from the playoffs. Please stop covering them.”

ESPN won’t let that happen. This isn’t gonna be la liga with three potential winners. They would ruin CFB. Like when professional boxing went pay per view. It fundamentally changed one of America’s best sports. Nobody cares about it anymore.
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Won't allow it?

Who do you think is behind it all. The networks have been and are pushing this since the first moves. They want the super conferences because they believe that is where the money is.

This was the plan all along.
 
If the SEC and Big get 4 auto bids

Would you guys be ok with the ACC getting 2 auto bids
and the Big 12 getting 2 auto bids in exchange?

Thoughts?
 
SaiyaMan305 said:
If the SEC and Big get 4 auto bids

Would you guys be ok with the ACC getting 2 auto bids
and the Big 12 getting 2 auto bids in exchange?

Thoughts?
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That's all 12 spots right there. No, they have it right the way they have it. 5 conference winners and the next 7 ranked by the selection committee. Most of the slots will go to the SEC and B1G anyway, but earn your way there. There will be years where those conferences will not be stronger than others.

I'd like to see the ACC, Big 12, and G5 grow a pair and call the P2's bluff on this one. They should have done it with the proceeds share of the playoff as well. No automatic percentages of payouts given to the conferences. Each conference receives a proportional share for their one guaranteed slot with the conference winner and the rest of the payout is based on who takes the other at-large slots. If the SEC gets 6 schools in, they get half the payout. If they get only the conference champ in, oh well.
 
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Tony4Canes said:
So, just P4 schools? Guess if not moving to Super Leagues then would be decent deal
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I think the next step they were talking about was moving to 16 teams lol

So there could be the G5 champ and an independent (ND) in there but **** at that point i think it would be too much and the regular season would be even more devalued.
 
NE Canes said:
Won't allow it?

Who do you think is behind it all. The networks have been and are pushing this since the first moves. They want the super conferences because they believe that is where the money is.

This was the plan all along.
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If they want a super league, this isn’t how to do it. Europe proposed a super league. They went quietly to the best teams in each major league to assemble a super league.

A super league does not include many of the teams in the Big 10 and SEC. You would need to cut loose Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Minnesota, arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Missouri, South Carolina, and Vanderbuilt.

So, cut loose 16 teams. You then selectively add Miami, ND, FSU, Clemson. Teams that have historically won something. Nobody cares about virginia or unc anymore than big market BC. Not as to a super league. Liverpool/Manchester is a spec of a place. They would have had 3 super league teams. Sorry everton.

You then have a Super League of about 18 teams. That was the European model that almost worked until the fans of the other teams went to their governments.

Big 10 and SEC are a mirage of super leagues. More La Liga. They cut good deals. Yes. ACC was stupid. Got trapped. But the top teams are great brands. ESPN isn’t killing them off for Vandy.

ESPN isn’t going to Cali because of Cali. They love the U is Back. Miami is a sleeping giant that might be waking up. ESPN won’t leave the U brand behind. Gameday says all the time “college football is better when USC and Miami are good.”

Thank you.
 
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dirtyred786 said:
Only conference champs should get in automatically. Let the selection committee determine the rest.
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I agree with this as conference power can shift. Earn it in the field, not before the season even begins with those automatic births.

I don't fault any conference for trying to get whatever they can. That's what they're supposed to do.
 
JTKoval said:
If they want a super league, this isn’t how to do it. Europe proposed a super league. They went quietly to the best teams in each major league to assemble a super league.

A super league does not include many of the teams in the Big 10 and SEC. You would need to cut loose Maryland, Rutgers, Purdue, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Indiana, Minnesota, arkansas, Kentucky, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Missouri, South Carolina, and Vanderbuilt.

So, cut loose 16 teams. You then selectively add Miami, ND, FSU, Clemson. Teams that have historically won something. Nobody cares about virginia or unc anymore than big market BC. Not as to a super league. Liverpool/Manchester is a spec of a place. They would have had 3 super league teams. Sorry everton.

You then have a Super League of about 18 teams. That was the European model that almost worked until the fans of the other teams went to their governments.

Big 10 and SEC are a mirage of super leagues. More La Liga. They cut good deals. Yes. ACC was stupid. Got trapped. But the top teams are great brands. ESPN isn’t killing them off for Vandy.

ESPN isn’t going to Cali because of Cali. They love the U is Back. Miami is a sleeping giant that might be waking up. ESPN won’t leave the U brand behind. Gameday says all the time “college football is better when USC and Miami are good.”

Thank you.
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I can't really agree with that.

Their version of a super league is the Big Ten and SEC. USC didn't move to the Big10 on their own. The Networks have been manufacturing this from the beginning. And I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the idea of cutting lose the weak links in those conferences when the time is right.

And ESPN does not love Miami. They couldn’t care less about Miami. But if the ratings are there to be had they will show Miami. It makes us feel good to say they love Miami but come on...be realistic.

We have been having this conversation for a decade and everyone always thinks the last move will be the last of it. They would never do XYZ, yet here we are.

You don’t honestly think they are done do you….?
 
SaiyaMan305 said:
If the SEC and Big get 4 auto bids

Would you guys be ok with the ACC getting 2 auto bids
and the Big 12 getting 2 auto bids in exchange?

Thoughts?
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No.

They should have just left it at 4 teams then. SEC got 2 bids and Ohio State or Michigan got the other.

The rest of college football fought over 1 spot.

They do that I am for breaking away. Really mess up the system. Maybe not popular but I am not letting two conferences dictate things.
 
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RozayCane said:
****.. seem like they already got that now. They don’t even need it in writing
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The thing that they will do with the automatic bids is push the ACC and Big 12 down. Unless the ACC and Big 12 stand firm on conference champions getting the top playoff slots, the SEC and B1G will stack all 8 of their automatic bid teams ahead of the ACC and Big 12 champions.

I really think that's a major factor in them wanting multiple automatic bid teams.
 
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NE Canes said:
I can't really agree with that.

Their version of a super league is the Big Ten and SEC. USC didn't move to the Big10 on their own. The Networks have been manufacturing this from the beginning. And I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the idea of cutting lose the weak links in those conferences when the time is right.

And ESPN does not love Miami. They couldn’t care less about Miami. But if the ratings are there to be had they will show Miami. It makes us feel good to say they love Miami but come on...be realistic.

We have been having this conversation for a decade and everyone always thinks the last move will be the last of it. They would never do XYZ, yet here we are.

You don’t honestly think they are done do you….?
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ESPN doesn’t want us over for the holidays. But they know we tend to get dominant when not on probation. They know people nationally like the badass history and story lines. Based upon the money that can generate, they aren’t cutting Miami loose. My opinion.
 
IndayArtHauz said:
This hasn’t mattered since the BCS started.

The NFL is not produced for the fans.

College football is not produced for the fans.

No major sport is produced for the fans who support it.

Your passion is a bank account they want to drain.

Think of yourself as an investment strategy: you are financially and emotionally married to a product, no matter how bad it makes you feel.

Nothing else in life would you give this much time, focus, or money to. Especially as often as it disappoints you.

The names and logos aside, this is not the sport we fell in love with.

This is a business.
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