An SEC staff / Program

[poncho0091]

I see that term thrown out around, and while I hate the SEC and SEC snobbery, I think there's some validity to it. Right now the ACC is in another class from the SEC. Clemson and FSU are the two programs that look like SEC programs. So far, everything Mark Richt has done is aimed towards changing the culture here and putting Miami on par with Clemson and FSU, which means the SEC, which means the elite of college football. I have to believe you'll see continued improvements to facilities and budgets all around as well. He knows how to run a successful SEC program, and that's what we're going to see here. Will it translate to national titles? That I don't know. I know we'll win coastal and ACC titles, which will put us in play for the whole thing. Hopefully Richt can "win the big one" here.

I can't disagree with this more. Before I start, I acknowledge the SEC as a conference is still good and has been the standard as a conference.

I stated this in another thread. Good football is not an exclusive SEC thing. ****, the SEC was garbage until they started their championship run. The SEC was fortunate enough to get a lot of good coaches at the time (Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles). Then they pulled in good coaches from other major schools or whole programs themselves (Bielema, TA&M was on the rise, Missou was hot). Also important was those good coaches identified good assistants. Anyone else ever notice the "best conference" is always supported by ESPN. Before the SEC run, ESPN used to hype the **** out of the Big 10. Lastly, we all know the SEC are the best cheaters out there.

None of this is exclusive to the SEC, except for ESPN which has a biased interest in the conference.

Furthermore, the majority of the SEC is not that great. The difference is their top tier teams are consistently really good and if one if down, another one is up, so when bowl season comes and they are winning championships, it makes the rest of the conference look good.

People keep talking about SEC coaches, but neglect to mention the best of those coaches started somewhere outside of the SEC. Richt was an ACC guy, Saban from the Big 10, Urban came from Utah. Why don't those conferences and programs get credit for building those coaches to what they became?

The SEC got a stable of elite coaches at the right time. The well will eventually run dry for them, unless they keep paying up for them coaches, and even then, they will start to have some bad hires which will bring the noise down some.

Can we just stop calling everything good an SEC thing? Why the **** are programs outside of the SEC that are successful considered SEC programs? They are not in the ******* SEC. They didn't have to model anything after the SEC. They just had to model good football.

 

[poncho0091]

I hate this. FSU and Clemson are not SEC programs. They're winning programs. They're doing the things it takes to win. Just like Ohio State and Michigan now with Harbaugh are winning programs. And Oklahoma and Stanford and TCU and so on. It's not an SEC or non SEC program, it's a winning program or a non winning one. Crap like this just contributes to the over inflated egos of the SEC and their overrated yearly rankings.

8-2 in the bowl games including many routs plus Bama in the Championship game. Hard to say the SEC is overrated.

Look at each game and you will notice that most of the SEC teams had favorable matchups.

Funny how after last bowl season all the smart guys were yapping about the fall of the SEC and now that the SEC is winning again in bowl season they are pushing it off on match ups. The SEC is the best football conference in college football and it's not even close. They may have a down year here and there, but consistently the best. If Miami were in the SEC and not a basketball conference you would be beating the SEC drum louder than anybody out there.

Color me shocked, a gator fan that thinks the SEC is the best. Go look at the matchups and refute what I said.

As for it being the best conference, I'm sure it is some years, other years its not. Your "its not even close" comment is absurd.

And no, I would not beat the drum because I do not cheer for conferences. I cheer for one team, the Miami Hurricanes. Conference pride is simply a way for teams that do not succeed to ride the coattails of successful teams.

The conference pride thing is the biggest joke I've ever seen. Can't agree more that the coattail riders are the ones who started that ****. You root for your conference, because you know your team will never be ****. Makes me lose my mind when I hear that SEC chant. Nothing would be sweeter to me if Clemson put it on Alabama and Clemson fans started chanting SEC just to remind them how stupid it is.

 

[jed2410]

He is bringing back what MIAMI used to build championships...WE DID THIS **** FIRST and everyone else followed suit. Once we got away from it, we went straight in the pooper. Don't give credit to the SEC for capitalizing on a model that we built!

 

[Notsince1985]

I see that term thrown out around, and while I hate the SEC and SEC snobbery, I think there's some validity to it. Right now the ACC is in another class from the SEC. Clemson and FSU are the two programs that look like SEC programs. So far, everything Mark Richt has done is aimed towards changing the culture here and putting Miami on par with Clemson and FSU, which means the SEC, which means the elite of college football. I have to believe you'll see continued improvements to facilities and budgets all around as well. He knows how to run a successful SEC program, and that's what we're going to see here. Will it translate to national titles? That I don't know. I know we'll win coastal and ACC titles, which will put us in play for the whole thing. Hopefully Richt can "win the big one" here.

I can't disagree with this more. Before I start, I acknowledge the SEC as a conference is still good and has been the standard as a conference.

I stated this in another thread. Good football is not an exclusive SEC thing. ****, the SEC was garbage until they started their championship run. The SEC was fortunate enough to get a lot of good coaches at the time (Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles). Then they pulled in good coaches from other major schools or whole programs themselves (Bielema, TA&M was on the rise, Missou was hot). Also important was those good coaches identified good assistants. Anyone else ever notice the "best conference" is always supported by ESPN. Before the SEC run, ESPN used to hype the **** out of the Big 10. Lastly, we all know the SEC are the best cheaters out there.

None of this is exclusive to the SEC, except for ESPN which has a biased interest in the conference.

Furthermore, the majority of the SEC is not that great. The difference is their top tier teams are consistently really good and if one if down, another one is up, so when bowl season comes and they are winning championships, it makes the rest of the conference look good.

People keep talking about SEC coaches, but neglect to mention the best of those coaches started somewhere outside of the SEC. Richt was an ACC guy, Saban from the Big 10, Urban came from Utah. Why don't those conferences and programs get credit for building those coaches to what they became?

The SEC got a stable of elite coaches at the right time. The well will eventually run dry for them, unless they keep paying up for them coaches, and even then, they will start to have some bad hires which will bring the noise down some.

Can we just stop calling everything good an SEC thing? Why the **** are programs outside of the SEC that are successful considered SEC programs? They are not in the ******* SEC. They didn't have to model anything after the SEC. They just had to model good football.

That's because you completely missed the point. **** the SEC, it's the elite program/conference mindset, which FSU and Clemson have, and we don't. Richt is instilling that culture here.

 

[Notsince1985]

He is bringing back what MIAMI used to build championships...WE DID THIS **** FIRST and everyone else followed suit. Once we got away from it, we went straight in the pooper. Don't give credit to the SEC for capitalizing on a model that we built!

That's great, but it's not 1987 or even 2001. Times have changed and we didn't change with them. or at least not enough. Now, we are. That was my entire point.

 

[The Franchise]

What's he doing that is considered "SEC"? So far, he's hired several coaches. All of them he's either coached with or knew well due to playing against regularly. He also hired a local HS coach with no SEC ties.

He's trying to build a good program and trying to hire the guys he thinks are good coaches. And, thankfully, UM has decided to start paying coaches.

 

[CANE]

Go clempson.

 

[Pixelated bukake]

There is no question that the SEC is routinely one of the top conferences. But what makes it so dominant is not coaching, it's the fact that it covers the areas of the country where a large amount of talent resides. I am sure you can find better coaches at MAC or Big Sky schools where their schemes and play calling make up for the borderline talent (borderline in terms of having NFL bodies). FSU and Clemson have done well recently not because they are emulating the SEC but because they have been recruiting like SEC schools. And while the ACC has recently put as many kids in the NFL as has the SEC, the ACC schools that are accounting for these NFL players are 2 or 3. The whole conference is not populated with NFL bodies in the same manner as the SEC.

How this applies to Miami is that it has access to many of those very athletic, potential NFL players. If we can combine quality coaching with our talent base, we can be equally or more successful than any school, regardless of conference.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I hate this. FSU and Clemson are not SEC programs. They're winning programs. They're doing the things it takes to win. Just like Ohio State and Michigan now with Harbaugh are winning programs. And Oklahoma and Stanford and TCU and so on. It's not an SEC or non SEC program, it's a winning program or a non winning one. Crap like this just contributes to the over inflated egos of the SEC and their overrated yearly rankings.

Terd nailing it per usual.

 

[CspotOandG]

I hate this. FSU and Clemson are not SEC programs. They're winning programs. They're doing the things it takes to win. Just like Ohio State and Michigan now with Harbaugh are winning programs. And Oklahoma and Stanford and TCU and so on. It's not an SEC or non SEC program, it's a winning program or a non winning one. Crap like this just contributes to the over inflated egos of the SEC and their overrated yearly rankings.

8-2 in the bowl games including many routs plus Bama in the Championship game. Hard to say the SEC is overrated.

Look at each game and you will notice that most of the SEC teams had favorable matchups.

Funny how after last bowl season all the smart guys were yapping about the fall of the SEC and now that the SEC is winning again in bowl season they are pushing it off on match ups. The SEC is the best football conference in college football and it's not even close. They may have a down year here and there, but consistently the best. If Miami were in the SEC and not a basketball conference you would be beating the SEC drum louder than anybody out there.

Color me shocked, a gator fan that thinks the SEC is the best. Go look at the matchups and refute what I said.

As for it being the best conference, I'm sure it is some years, other years its not. Your "its not even close" comment is absurd.

And no, I would not beat the drum because I do not cheer for conferences. I cheer for one team, the Miami Hurricanes. Conference pride is simply a way for teams that do not succeed to ride the coattails of successful teams.

This. S*it. Right. HERE.

I don't give a good Got-**** about the SEC, or the ACC, or the f*ckin Sunbelt, or the MAC, or whatever other conferences are out there. The only thing that matters is the Miami Hurricanes.

 

[TreOFive]

I hate this. FSU and Clemson are not SEC programs. They're winning programs. They're doing the things it takes to win. Just like Ohio State and Michigan now with Harbaugh are winning programs. And Oklahoma and Stanford and TCU and so on. It's not an SEC or non SEC program, it's a winning program or a non winning one. Crap like this just contributes to the over inflated egos of the SEC and their overrated yearly rankings.

THIS!!!

 

[CaneInTheBrain]

I see that term thrown out around, and while I hate the SEC and SEC snobbery, I think there's some validity to it. Right now the ACC is in another class from the SEC. Clemson and FSU are the two programs that look like SEC programs. So far, everything Mark Richt has done is aimed towards changing the culture here and putting Miami on par with Clemson and FSU, which means the SEC, which means the elite of college football. I have to believe you'll see continued improvements to facilities and budgets all around as well. He knows how to run a successful SEC program, and that's what we're going to see here. Will it translate to national titles? That I don't know. I know we'll win coastal and ACC titles, which will put us in play for the whole thing. Hopefully Richt can "win the big one" here.

Be real

Clemson and FSU's staffs completely **** on ours

I guess that would be the case though, considering they spend over a million dollars a year more on coaches

And that's not even taking in to account facilities, where those teams are in a while other class from Miami

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

There is no question that the SEC is routinely one of the top conferences. But what makes it so dominant is not coaching, it's the fact that it covers the areas of the country where a large amount of talent resides. I am sure you can find better coaches at MAC or Big Sky schools where their schemes and play calling make up for the borderline talent (borderline in terms of having NFL bodies). FSU and Clemson have done well recently not because they are emulating the SEC but because they have been recruiting like SEC schools. And while the ACC has recently put as many kids in the NFL as has the SEC, the ACC schools that are accounting for these NFL players are 2 or 3. The whole conference is not populated with NFL bodies in the same manner as the SEC.

How this applies to Miami is that it has access to many of those very athletic, potential NFL players. If we can combine quality coaching with our talent base, we can be equally or more successful than any school, regardless of conference.

The ACC has not put as many kids into the NFL recently as the SEC. A simple check over the last five years shows 246 to 185 in favor of the SEC. In addition, SEC kids grade out higher in the NFL once in the league. The ACC does well but they aren't on the level of the SEC.

 

[Notsince1985]

I see that term thrown out around, and while I hate the SEC and SEC snobbery, I think there's some validity to it. Right now the ACC is in another class from the SEC. Clemson and FSU are the two programs that look like SEC programs. So far, everything Mark Richt has done is aimed towards changing the culture here and putting Miami on par with Clemson and FSU, which means the SEC, which means the elite of college football. I have to believe you'll see continued improvements to facilities and budgets all around as well. He knows how to run a successful SEC program, and that's what we're going to see here. Will it translate to national titles? That I don't know. I know we'll win coastal and ACC titles, which will put us in play for the whole thing. Hopefully Richt can "win the big one" here.

Be real

Clemson and FSU's staffs completely **** on ours

I guess that would be the case though, considering they spend over a million dollars a year more on coaches

And that's not even taking in to account facilities, where those teams are in a while other class from Miami

No they don't. FSU's co-COs are Lawrence Dawsey, who was a career WR coach and former player, and Randy Sanders who got fired from Tennessee. Their DC was a position coach before becoming DC. Their best coach is Odell Haggins who has been DL coach since 1995. Tim Brewster is a recruiter who failed as a HC. Nothing special as a TEs coach. Jay Graham is unproven as a RB coach.

When Chad Scott went to SMU, Clemson replaced him with co-OCs, neither of which had been more than a position coach. They have Venables, but aside from that, their staff is nothing special.

 

[plantcity3]

I see that term thrown out around, and while I hate the SEC and SEC snobbery, I think there's some validity to it. Right now the ACC is in another class from the SEC. Clemson and FSU are the two programs that look like SEC programs. So far, everything Mark Richt has done is aimed towards changing the culture here and putting Miami on par with Clemson and FSU, which means the SEC, which means the elite of college football. I have to believe you'll see continued improvements to facilities and budgets all around as well. He knows how to run a successful SEC program, and that's what we're going to see here. Will it translate to national titles? That I don't know. I know we'll win coastal and ACC titles, which will put us in play for the whole thing. Hopefully Richt can "win the big one" here.

Be real

Clemson and FSU's staffs completely **** on ours

I guess that would be the case though, considering they spend over a million dollars a year more on coaches

And that's not even taking in to account facilities, where those teams are in a while other class from Miami

Florida State facilities are not that much better then Miami's. The only thing they have over us is an on campus stadium and an indoor practice facility. That is it. And both of those are crammed onto campus. There offseason workout fields are crammed in between the student recreational center and their freaking circus tent.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

This is the newest in the line of dopey phrases that our fanbase invents and repeats ad nauseum.

 

[Notsince1985]

This is the newest in the line of dopey phrases that our fanbase invents and repeats ad nauseum.

you're missing the point, I'm not using it in that way