Alternate universe: Miami takes Mendoza, Beck goes to Indiana

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The only real advantage I see with Mendoza is that he doesn’t seem to make the big mistake.

The same can’t be said about Beck, who has made multiple game ending errors.
He’s a better improviser. He’s not an incredible athlete but he can escape pressure and make plays on the run the Beck can’t.
 
The only real advantage I see with Mendoza is that he doesn’t seem to make the big mistake.

The same can’t be said about Beck, who has made multiple game ending errors.

I said same earlier (and a big reason I think Sorsby is the qb you overpay for next year- he can extend plays and doesn’t turn the ball over). With the way Cristobal manages games, turnovers are more harmful than they would be with a lot of other teams. @k9cane said it best - Cristobal rarely wants to push the pace and get extra possessions when he has superior talent (which is what he should be doing). Instead he wants to get a lead and slow down the game. Because of this, a turnover (ESPECIALLY if it leads to opponent putting points on the board) becomes difficult to overcome.

The secret sauce last year was Cam Ward was so good we had a quick strike offense and were excellent at overcoming dumb penalties (a staple of Cristobal teams). 2nd and 15 didn’t mean much to Ward any more than 2 and 5. We got extra possessions because we kept the chains moving. The one game where the formula fell apart was the GT game last season, where they successfully limited the possessions. Defense actually played pretty well that game but Ward wasn’t having a good day.

Mendoza takes care of the ball. I don’t think he throws game ending picks like Beck and he can pick up first downs when there is green grass in front of him. I can’t think of a single time this season I ever said, “Now that is only a throw that Carson Beck can make.” Mendoza gives you all the positive attributes of Beck but with far fewer negatives and a lot more mobility.

So I don’t agree at all with the porsters who say we are no different with Mendoza. Yes we are. I have zero doubt about this. Look at last season. QBs who can extend plays make this offense dangerous, even if Dawson is calling the plays (and I personally think Dawson is going with a safer playbook this year because Beck is turnover prone and makes critical errors at the absolute worst times).

With Mendoza we AT WORST, have 1 loss right now and are still in the hunt for the ACC championship and are a playoff lock, with people calling us a dark horse for winning a national championship even this late in the season.

Sad thing is we’re so close to being title contenders. As someone else said, put Ward on this team and we’re closer to 2019 LSU. Put Mendoza on this team and we win ACC and make a deep playoff run. We have a great defense but missed at QB. I am not going to **** Mario for this - lots of people got it wrong with Beck and I get why he wanted an experienced QB who had a lot of SEC wins. We got the wool pulled over our eyes, but on the plus side this was back to back years he went out and paid a lot of money for a transfer QB. One worked out far beyond anyone’s expectations, one didn’t. Next year maybe we win the transfer lottery and get the Cal QB or Sorsby, but we don’t have Bain or Mesidor and the defense takes a step back. Just can’t catch a break.
 
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Mendoza was fortunate to have some NFL HoFer type catches in the pedo st game, IU loses that game and the Mendoza shine fades
 
Doubt Mendoza throws 2 INT's with the ball in his hands and a chance to win the game
Agreed. Mendoza has thrown a late game interception in all 3 of Indiana's close games - Iowa, Oregon, and Penn State. He followed them up with 76, 75, and 80-yard game-winning TD drives. The last drive against PSU was essentially 90 yards in right around a minute because he got sacked on the first play. Every pass he threw on that drive was exactly where it needed to be and he was under pressure on each one. He has some intangible qualities that Beck has not shown.
 
Mendoza was fortunate to have some NFL HoFer type catches in the pedo st game, IU loses that game and the Mendoza shine fades
There were definitely two phenomenal catches on that drive. I would say both balls were right where they needed to be (and neither was a 4th down, so there were other opportunities). Also, Mendoza did not have his top target Elijah Sarratt and he was under a lot of duress. This is the TD throw at the end. It was a tremendous catch AND a tremendous throw.

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Tough to say for sure. Is Mendoza actually this good or is playing for Cignetti unlocking his full potential. Would he have been able to do the same under Dawson's system? Conversely, I think Beck could have thrived under Cignetti as well.
 
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I said same earlier (and a big reason I think Sorsby is the qb you overpay for next year- he can extend plays and doesn’t turn the ball over). With the way Cristobal manages games, turnovers are more harmful than they would be with a lot of other teams. @k9cane said it best - Cristobal rarely wants to push the pace and get extra possessions when he has superior talent (which is what he should be doing). Instead he wants to get a lead and slow down the game. Because of this, a turnover (ESPECIALLY if it leads to opponent putting points on the board) becomes difficult to overcome.

The secret sauce last year was Cam Ward was so good we had a quick strike offense and were excellent at overcoming dumb penalties (a staple of Cristobal teams). 2nd and 15 didn’t mean much to Ward any more than 2 and 5. We got extra possessions because we kept the chains moving. The one game where the formula fell apart was the GT game last season, where they successfully limited the possessions. Defense actually played pretty well that game but Ward wasn’t having a good day.

Mendoza takes care of the ball. I don’t think he throws game ending picks like Beck and he can pick up first downs when there is green grass in front of him. I can’t think of a single time this season I ever said, “Now that is only a throw that Carson Beck can make.” Mendoza gives you all the positive attributes of Beck but with far fewer negatives and a lot more mobility.

So I don’t agree at all with the porsters who say we are no different with Mendoza. Yes we are. I have zero doubt about this. Look at last season. QBs who can extend plays make this offense dangerous, even if Dawson is calling the plays (and I personally think Dawson is going with a safer playbook this year because Beck is turnover prone and makes critical errors at the absolute worst times).

With Mendoza we AT WORST, have 1 loss right now and are still in the hunt for the ACC championship and are a playoff lock, with people calling us a dark horse for winning a national championship even this late in the season.

Sad thing is we’re so close to being title contenders. As someone else said, put Ward on this team and we’re closer to 2019 LSU. Put Mendoza on this team and we win ACC and make a deep playoff run. We have a great defense but missed at QB. I am not going to **** Mario for this - lots of people got it wrong with Beck and I get why he wanted an experienced QB who had a lot of SEC wins. We got the wool pulled over our eyes, but on the plus side this was back to back years he went out and paid a lot of money for a transfer QB. One worked out far beyond anyone’s expectations, one didn’t. Next year maybe we win the transfer lottery and get the Cal QB or Sorsby, but we don’t have Bain or Mesidor and the defense takes a step back. Just can’t catch a break.
Thank you for writing exactly how I see things.
 
Do we get their schedule as well? That #9 Illinois is now unranked at 6-3. #3 Oregon's only ranked win was now unranked #3 Penn St.

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Funny how this isn't getting ANY mention in the media. This has to be the weakest schedule ever in the B1G....which is saying a lot given that Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State never play less than 7 home games (usually 8).
 
Rushing
YPG:
Indiana- 231, 9th
Miami-151, 75th

Rushing
YPA:
Indiana- 5.57, 12th
Miami- 4.2, 76th

Total Defense:
Indiana- 5th
Miami- 11th

Sacks Surrendered:
Indiana- 10/ 10 games
Miami- 8/9 games

Similar type QB's with Mendoza being more athletic.
Mendoza is in a better situation, leaving coaching out of it and just simply looking at the stats.

Got to give Mendoza a game given what we saw on that last drive.
Even though he's the one who got Indy behind the 8-ball in the first place with that pick.
 
There were definitely two phenomenal catches on that drive. I would say both balls were right where they needed to be (and neither was a 4th down, so there were other opportunities). Also, Mendoza did not have his top target Elijah Sarratt and he was under a lot of duress. This is the TD throw at the end. It was a tremendous catch AND a tremendous throw.

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Champions make their own luck - Vince Lombardi

It was definitely IU's day.

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Cooper Jr is legit though

props to the back judge...
 
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Rushing
YPG:
Indiana- 231, 9th
Miami-151, 75th

Rushing
YPA:
Indiana- 5.57, 12th
Miami- 4.2, 76th

Total Defense:
Indiana- 5th
Miami- 11th

Sacks Surrendered:
Indiana- 10/ 10 games
Miami- 8/9 games

Similar type QB's with Mendoza being more athletic.
Mendoza is in a better situation, leaving coaching out of it and just simply looking at the stats.

Got to give Mendoza a game given what we saw on that last drive.
Even though he's the one who got Indy behind the 8-ball in the first place with that pick.

Can you post the strengths of schedule for IU and UM also? I mean if we're going to "leave coaching out of it and just look at the stats," we should probably consider the quality of teams being played too.
 
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Mendoza likely is 20-25% of the NIL price, so the hypothetical could be Beck vs Mendoza + other portals xfers
 
I said same earlier (and a big reason I think Sorsby is the qb you overpay for next year- he can extend plays and doesn’t turn the ball over). With the way Cristobal manages games, turnovers are more harmful than they would be with a lot of other teams. @k9cane said it best - Cristobal rarely wants to push the pace and get extra possessions when he has superior talent (which is what he should be doing). Instead he wants to get a lead and slow down the game. Because of this, a turnover (ESPECIALLY if it leads to opponent putting points on the board) becomes difficult to overcome.

The secret sauce last year was Cam Ward was so good we had a quick strike offense and were excellent at overcoming dumb penalties (a staple of Cristobal teams). 2nd and 15 didn’t mean much to Ward any more than 2 and 5. We got extra possessions because we kept the chains moving. The one game where the formula fell apart was the GT game last season, where they successfully limited the possessions. Defense actually played pretty well that game but Ward wasn’t having a good day.

Mendoza takes care of the ball. I don’t think he throws game ending picks like Beck and he can pick up first downs when there is green grass in front of him. I can’t think of a single time this season I ever said, “Now that is only a throw that Carson Beck can make.” Mendoza gives you all the positive attributes of Beck but with far fewer negatives and a lot more mobility.

So I don’t agree at all with the porsters who say we are no different with Mendoza. Yes we are. I have zero doubt about this. Look at last season. QBs who can extend plays make this offense dangerous, even if Dawson is calling the plays (and I personally think Dawson is going with a safer playbook this year because Beck is turnover prone and makes critical errors at the absolute worst times).

With Mendoza we AT WORST, have 1 loss right now and are still in the hunt for the ACC championship and are a playoff lock, with people calling us a dark horse for winning a national championship even this late in the season.

Sad thing is we’re so close to being title contenders. As someone else said, put Ward on this team and we’re closer to 2019 LSU. Put Mendoza on this team and we win ACC and make a deep playoff run. We have a great defense but missed at QB. I am not going to **** Mario for this - lots of people got it wrong with Beck and I get why he wanted an experienced QB who had a lot of SEC wins. We got the wool pulled over our eyes, but on the plus side this was back to back years he went out and paid a lot of money for a transfer QB. One worked out far beyond anyone’s expectations, one didn’t. Next year maybe we win the transfer lottery and get the Cal QB or Sorsby, but we don’t have Bain or Mesidor and the defense takes a step back. Just can’t catch a break.

TrumpyCane wants to know if you missed the Oregon, Iowa, Penn State games?

Coincidentally or not he was asked to make some throws those games and ended throwing some terrible INTs

@Memnon posted a well thought post about Mendoza and Cig's system
 
I said same earlier (and a big reason I think Sorsby is the qb you overpay for next year- he can extend plays and doesn’t turn the ball over). With the way Cristobal manages games, turnovers are more harmful than they would be with a lot of other teams. @k9cane said it best - Cristobal rarely wants to push the pace and get extra possessions when he has superior talent (which is what he should be doing). Instead he wants to get a lead and slow down the game. Because of this, a turnover (ESPECIALLY if it leads to opponent putting points on the board) becomes difficult to overcome.

The secret sauce last year was Cam Ward was so good we had a quick strike offense and were excellent at overcoming dumb penalties (a staple of Cristobal teams). 2nd and 15 didn’t mean much to Ward any more than 2 and 5. We got extra possessions because we kept the chains moving. The one game where the formula fell apart was the GT game last season, where they successfully limited the possessions. Defense actually played pretty well that game but Ward wasn’t having a good day.

Mendoza takes care of the ball. I don’t think he throws game ending picks like Beck and he can pick up first downs when there is green grass in front of him. I can’t think of a single time this season I ever said, “Now that is only a throw that Carson Beck can make.” Mendoza gives you all the positive attributes of Beck but with far fewer negatives and a lot more mobility.

So I don’t agree at all with the porsters who say we are no different with Mendoza. Yes we are. I have zero doubt about this. Look at last season. QBs who can extend plays make this offense dangerous, even if Dawson is calling the plays (and I personally think Dawson is going with a safer playbook this year because Beck is turnover prone and makes critical errors at the absolute worst times).

With Mendoza we AT WORST, have 1 loss right now and are still in the hunt for the ACC championship and are a playoff lock, with people calling us a dark horse for winning a national championship even this late in the season.

Sad thing is we’re so close to being title contenders. As someone else said, put Ward on this team and we’re closer to 2019 LSU. Put Mendoza on this team and we win ACC and make a deep playoff run. We have a great defense but missed at QB. I am not going to **** Mario for this - lots of people got it wrong with Beck and I get why he wanted an experienced QB who had a lot of SEC wins. We got the wool pulled over our eyes, but on the plus side this was back to back years he went out and paid a lot of money for a transfer QB. One worked out far beyond anyone’s expectations, one didn’t. Next year maybe we win the transfer lottery and get the Cal QB or Sorsby, but we don’t have Bain or Mesidor and the defense takes a step back. Just can’t catch a break.

if it takes having a Cam Ward-level player for Mario/Miami to be a bit looser with tempo, then we're going to be frustrated for a long time because guys like him at this level are rare

What's interesting is that Mario's greatest win as a head coach came when he led Oregon to a win over a loaded Ohio St team at the Horseshoe. In that game, they played exactly as they should by running the ball a lot and trying to shorten the game. But again, they weren't the better team and Anthony Brown was limited as a pure passer. That was really good game management

but a few weeks later they lost to a vastly inferior Stanford team while rated in the top 5. The way you approach a game being the clearly superior team as opposed to being the decided underdog should differ

Again, that style of play in my view lends itself to being in games that are closer than they should be, and being more prone to being upset.
 
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