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Bender said:
Like, its a metric ranking talent. Of course we're gonna rank high when, at the very minimum, two get deserved early round NFL hype (Kinchens and Taylor) and others like George and Smith can be considered contributors that could develop into something better later on.

However, its a metric ranking talent and at the end of it, talent is potential and everyone has potential. Just because you're high on this list doesn't mean **** imo.

We've already established that Gattis sucked historically bad. Thats gonna be the difference from being a 6-win to a 9-win team, having an offense that can score 30 a game on a slightly mediocre day. Dawson is lightyears better compared to Gattis.
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don't leave out James Williams. I know people on here aren't pleased with how he's played, and he did have a torn labrum last year. But NFL scouts are high on him and if this Guidry defense really is creative with pressure and a system where DBs can thrive, James stock can start to rise rapidly.
 
Manfred_Cane said:
don't leave out James Williams. I know people on here aren't pleased with how he's played, and he did have a torn labrum last year. But NFL scouts are high on him and if this Guidry defense really is creative with pressure and a system where DBs can thrive, James stock can start to rise rapidly.
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I start rating him once he gets his pad level down when tackling.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Eight wins this year, and there are posters here that would want Mario fired. Just read the thread.
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I mean we wanted Manny fired after that exact win total. we wanted golden fired. we wanted richt gone and he actually won 9 and 10.

8 is beyond a joke and an unbelievably low bar for what we expected is either a very good coach or someone on the fringes of the elite (top 10-20). 8 should never be okay at UM especially when money isnt an issue anymore.

Mario better win 10 (I expect 6-7 personally) every year after if we finish with 8 or less this year. you dont need a 5 year plan. you can win right away in college now (ask TCU, ask USC, ask Duke). its only impossible here bc of excuses.

win ******* games. stop blaming coaches, players, the easter bunny, Santa. its his job as an HC to win now. he gets paid very well to do so. done w this BS about needing time. nah if he were better at the portal, we could win now and build towards the future w his elite HS recruiting.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Excellent idea. Let’s be getting a new coach every two years. That’ll really move the program along.
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Reilly said it best. you dont need 5 years to evaluate. you only really need 3. after that, if the results aren't there, they likely will never be. it isnt like the old days. the turnarounds are more immediate in college now. If he has another down year, it wont get any easier the following year w the tougher schedule in year 3.
 
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Bender said:
Like, its a metric ranking talent. Of course we're gonna rank high when, at the very minimum, two get deserved early round NFL hype (Kinchens and Taylor) and others like George and Smith can be considered contributors that could develop into something better later on.

However, its a metric ranking talent and at the end of it, talent is potential and everyone has potential. Just because you're high on this list doesn't mean **** imo.

We've already established that Gattis sucked historically bad. Thats gonna be the difference from being a 6-win to a 9-win team, having an offense that can score 30 a game on a slightly mediocre day. Dawson is lightyears better compared to Gattis.
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gattis was bad bc Mario was bad. Mario was responsible for the hire. he didnt have to hire gattis. he chose to do so after being turned down by others (we all know the candle stuff).

will it change with Dawson? hopefully but that would also involve the HC changing his entire mentality and vision of an offense. that I will wait and see bc stubbornness is the only thing all our prior coaches have had in common (golden, richt on O, Manny d, etc.). idc about the spring or summer or stupid camp reports. I care about how we look come September.
 
hoops156 said:
I mean we wanted Manny fired after that exact win total. we wanted golden fired. we wanted richt gone and he actually won 9 and 10.

8 is beyond a joke and an unbelievably low bar for what we expected is either a very good coach or someone on the fringes of the elite (top 10-20). 8 should never be okay at UM especially when money isnt an issue anymore.

Mario better win 10 (I expect 6-7 personally) every year after if we finish with 8 or less this year. you dont need a 5 year plan. you can win right away in college now (ask TCU, ask USC, ask Duke). its only impossible here bc of excuses.

win ******* games. stop blaming coaches, players, the easter bunny, Santa. its his job as an HC to win now. he gets paid very well to do so. done w this BS about needing time. nah if he were better at the portal, we could win now and build towards the future w his elite HS recruiting.
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hoops156 said:
Reilly said it best. you dont need 5 years to evaluate. you only really need 3. after that, if the results aren't there, they likely will never be. it isnt like the old days. the turnarounds are more immediate in college now. If he has another down year, it wont get any easier the following year w the tougher schedule in year 3.
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YES! We should let message board geniuses run the program.
 
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rsa coral gables said:
great story, great pic. the Reds should NEVER have fired Sparky, he was a fantastic manager. who fires a manager after winning the World Series back to back? i'm glad he won at Detroit

details on the Yacht please.
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You're right, Fetzer the owner who hired him had a great Front Office, those guys won all sorts of accolades. The first yacht was a 53 Hatteras, and the bow in the picture was a 64 Burger, which we moved up to the next year, repowered, and put a $1 million restoration on at Bob Roscioli's yard in Ft Lauderdale. The boss wanted to work out of Turnberry Isle, but I convinced him to work more on the West Coast of Florida, so 4.5 draft was about it over here. We also had a couple of antiques: an 82-foot 1942 Luders with four GM 6V71s (Black Hull, Varnished topside, and seamist green cabin tops—a gorgeous yacht), and a 40-foot English steam launch all varnished that he put in the corporate lake in Ann Arbor. Finally, he bought a historic 1900 three-masted schooner. I got to run them all, and when he started getting rid of them, the guy I hired to run the schooner and I bought her to keep her from going to Japan as a restaurant. We returned her to the Maine Windjammer Trade. After 28 years, we sold her in 2018. Under our watch she became a National Historic Landmark and made her way onto the back of the 2003 Maine State Quarter.
 
Silver King said:
You're right, Fetzer the owner who hired him had a great Front Office, those guys won all sorts of accolades. The first yacht was a 53 Hatteras, and the bow in the picture was a 64 Burger, which we moved up to the next year, repowered, and put a $1 million restoration on at Bob Roscioli's yard in Ft Lauderdale. The boss wanted to work out of Turnberry Isle, but I convinced him to work more on the West Coast of Florida, so 4.5 draft was about it over here. We also had a couple of antiques: an 82-foot 1942 Luders with four GM 6V71s (Black Hull, Varnished topside, and seamist green cabin tops—a gorgeous yacht), and a 40-foot English steam launch all varnished that he put in the corporate lake in Ann Arbor. Finally, he bought a historic 1900 three-masted schooner. I got to run them all, and when he started getting rid of them, the guy I hired to run the schooner and I bought her to keep her from going to Japan as a restaurant. We returned her to the Maine Windjammer Trade. After 28 years, we sold her in 2018. Under our watch she became a National Historic Landmark and made her way onto the back of the 2003 Maine State Quarter.
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thanks for the details. very cool.
 
Further context to this discussion, & I’m going to place these two in the same row boat due to coaching back ground.

Bret Bielema:
Inherited a 2-6 Illinois Team. Went 5-7 yr 1, 8-5 yr 2

Sam Pittman:
Inherited a 2-10 Arky Team. Went 3-7 yr 1, 9-4 yr 2

Here’s two coaches w/ the same tough minded, grind em out mentalities that inherited far worst programs than Mario. Yet, although they mightily struggled in yr 1, a +3 game improvement happened the following yr.

Again, if anyone on this board is clamoring to be patient for 5 yrs or is already making an out for us to win 7 games or less this upcoming season, u’re full of USDA Grade A bull chit. This team better not win less than 8 games on the season, and I’m referring to the regular season. Illinois went 8-4 on the regular season, along w/ Arkansas in yr 2. The difference is Illinois faced a hella motivated MSU team that came out hella motivated to win one for Coach Leach in their bowl game.

There are no excuses, & I may sound like a broken record in this thread, but it’s b/c I know fa sho if Mario wasn’t an alum, there wouldn’t be contingency excuses in place. I think we should win at least 8 games this season, but if we don’t, there’s no excuses, and I don’t remotely wanna hear them.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Further context to this discussion, & I’m going to place these two in the same row boat due to coaching back ground.

Bret Bielema:
Inherited a 2-6 Illinois Team. Went 5-7 yr 1, 8-5 yr 2

Sam Pittman:
Inherited a 2-10 Arky Team. Went 3-7 yr 1, 9-4 yr 2

Here’s two coaches w/ the same tough minded, grind em out mentalities that inherited far worst programs than Mario. Yet, although they mightily struggled in yr 1, a +3 game improvement happened the following yr.

Again, if anyone on this board is clamoring to be patient for 5 yrs or is already making an out for us to win 7 games or less this upcoming season, u’re full of USDA Grade A bull chit. This team better not win less than 8 games on the season, and I’m referring to the regular season. Illinois went 8-4 on the regular season, along w/ Arkansas in yr 2. The difference is Illinois faced a hella motivated MSU team that came out hella motivated to win one for Coach Leach in their bowl game.

There are no excuses, & I may sound like a broken record in this thread, but it’s b/c I know fa sho if Mario wasn’t an alum, there would be contingency excuses in place. I think we should win at least 8 games this season, but if we don’t, there’s no excuses, and I don’t remotely wanna hear them.
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if mario wasnt this beloved alum, wed be crying for firing his *** like we wanted to fire manny after year 1
 
Rellyrell said:
Further context to this discussion, & I’m going to place these two in the same row boat due to coaching back ground.

Bret Bielema:
Inherited a 2-6 Illinois Team. Went 5-7 yr 1, 8-5 yr 2

Sam Pittman:
Inherited a 2-10 Arky Team. Went 3-7 yr 1, 9-4 yr 2

Here’s two coaches w/ the same tough minded, grind em out mentalities that inherited far worst programs than Mario. Yet, although they mightily struggled in yr 1, a +3 game improvement happened the following yr.

Again, if anyone on this board is clamoring to be patient for 5 yrs or is already making an out for us to win 7 games or less this upcoming season, u’re full of USDA Grade A bull chit. This team better not win less than 8 games on the season, and I’m referring to the regular season. Illinois went 8-4 on the regular season, along w/ Arkansas in yr 2. The difference is Illinois faced a hella motivated MSU team that came out hella motivated to win one for Coach Leach in their bowl game.

There are no excuses, & I may sound like a broken record in this thread, but it’s b/c I know fa sho if Mario wasn’t an alum, there wouldn’t be contingency excuses in place. I think we should win at least 8 games this season, but if we don’t, there’s no excuses, and I don’t remotely wanna hear them.
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And unless I'm confused, as a semi-Arky fan with horrible memory - that 3-7 year had a LOT of very close, competitive games. They were in most of 'em. Didn't show up in the win column but you could see them closing the gap hugely. I think our fan base wants to see results on the W column, and so do I - but sometimes when you close a 1 mile gap and get 3/4 of the way there, that's a great sign too.
 
hoops156 said:
you think were all stupid but you can go look at the coaching thread from last year and find posters question the gattis hire, the steele hire, the ponce de leon hire, etc.
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No, I don’t think that. I just think it’s a more complex issue than just putting a checkmark by a coach you like or don’t like. In the real world, forging ahead to be successful is complex and multifactorial, with many issues impinging not just on hiring decisions, but on all other aspects of running a successful organization.
 
hoops156 said:
if mario wasnt this beloved alum, wed be crying for firing his *** like we wanted to fire manny after year 1
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& let me be clear:

Mario was not my first choice to come here, however, I do think he can get the job done here. That thought process is only predicated upon his tenure at UO. I created a thread calling for patience, but that patience was only for the “10 wins or bust crowd” expectations in yr 1. I called for us to allow him to cook; but, here’s the thing about even a chef cooking a 5* meal, it doesn’t take them 2 hrs to make it.

U go to any gourmet, top tier restaurant and ur not expecting fast food results, but u’re definitely expecting that meal to come out w/in reason, EVEN if they r missing some key ingredient they need to fetch (I’m using a real life example as I was invited to a former chef at the famed French Laundry’s home for a cuisine show case).

Now, to bring this analogy home: I can justify w/in “some reason” our struggles last season (not losing to MTSU the way we did, however). What I can’t justify in yr 2, w/ an alleged better coach staff to match personnel, another yr in Feld’s S&C regimen, more highly touted players on the roster that we will be OK to win less than 8 regular season games. That chit is not acceptable or non negotiable as a fan of this program.
 
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