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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Nine wins or we move on? What does that mean?
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I mean by the numbers we should get another coach. Only Dabo had 6 wins in year 2 and that 6 is sandwiched between a 9(year 1) and 10 (year 3).

There's no point in being patient through 4 years with a coach because it never works. Well, unless you want stability in recruiting so when you hire a good coach he'll have more to work with I guess.

Numbers overwhelmingly say the program will turn around in 2 (occasionally 3) years or it won't.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
I mean by the numbers we should get another coach. Only Dabo had 6 wins in year 2 and that 6 is sandwiched between a 9(year 1) and 10 (year 3).

There's no point in being patient through 4 years with a coach because it never works. Well, unless you want stability in recruiting so when you hire a good coach he'll have more to work with I guess.

Numbers overwhelmingly say the program will turn around in 2 (occasionally 3) years or it won't.
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I was worried that we’d end up with a Harbaugh type of situation but even he won 10 games his first two seasons after inheriting a 5-7 team. The idea that Miami was in such terrible shape that expecting to win before season 5 is laughable. We play in a garbage conference and our toughest OOC game this year is against a team that was 5-7 last year.
 
JgDaCane said:
I expect him to be the coach here for 10+ years regardless what the W's & L's are. I'm taking a relaxed approach on this guy.
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same


Im going to be patient cause I know hes the guy. Dont want to act like Michigan fans and now look, all they had to do was be patient you could see what was happening. I have always wanted this build the 01 canes the Nicks bamas the Kirby's UGA. This is the build, other coaches wouldn't get the best and im not okay with that.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
It seems you got .5/3 correct.

So, taking your call to research I've put together a list of all championship coaches this century starting with Bob Stoops. It seems with the exception of Mac Brown and Dabo Swinney every other coach was on the cusp by year 2. They are the exceptions to prove the rule. Mac did have 9 wins though

Year 2 is a strong barometer for if you are going to make it or not as a coach with a particular team.

-Bob Stoops (OU)
Year 2 ring

-Larry Coker(U)
Year 1, ring
Year 2, ring

-Jim Tressel(OSU)
Year 2, "ring"

-Nick Saban(LSU),
Year 2, 10 wins
year 4, ring

-Pete Carroll(USC),
Year 2, 10 wins. 2 scores away from facing Miami
Year 3/4 rings

-Mac Brown (Texas)
Year 2, 9 wins
Year 8, ring

-Urban Meyer (UF)
Year 2, ring

-Les Miles (LSU)
Year 2, 11 wins
Year 3, ring

-Nick Saban (Bama)
Year 2, 12 wins. One win from playing for the
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Ricaneswag said:
same


Im going to be patient cause I know hes the guy. Dont want to act like Michigan fans and now look, all they had to do was be patient you could see what was happening. I have always wanted this build the 01 canes the Nicks bamas the Kirby's UGA. This is the build, other coaches wouldn't get the best and im not okay with that.
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Yeah we gotta chill & stack up. He's gonna get us the talent. X's & O's aren't his thing but he'll get the coordinators once we start getting the talent. We'll be the top destination once we start pumping first rounders again for coordinators to leap themselves to HC roles.
 
JgDaCane said:
Yeah we gotta chill & stack up. He's gonna get us the talent. X's & O's aren't his thing but he'll get the coordinators once we start getting the talent. We'll be the top destination once we start pumping first rounders again for coordinators to leap themselves to HC roles.
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That doesn't work. If he's going to win a ring here he needs to be winning this year and be competitive. Stacking talent is a myth. That's what TAMU does.

Here's every Coach to win a ring since 1970 (much of the 60s is also covered). Above the line is this century (2000-2022). You don't see very much stacking of talent in the modern era. If a coach is going to get you there he's going to start producing soon. No chill!

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mcnaire2004 said:
That doesn't work. If he's going to win a ring here he needs to be winning this year and be competitive. Stacking talent is a myth. That's what TAMU does.

Here's every Coach to win a ring since 1970 (much of the 60s is also covered). Above the line is this century (2000-2022). You don't see very much stacking of talent in the modern era. If a coach is going to get you there he's going to start producing soon. No chill!

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Yeah I seen your graphic a few times.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
I mean by the numbers we should get another coach. Only Dabo had 6 wins in year 2 and that 6 is sandwiched between a 9(year 1) and 10 (year 3).

There's no point in being patient through 4 years with a coach because it never works. Well, unless you want stability in recruiting so when you hire a good coach he'll have more to work with I guess.

Numbers overwhelmingly say the program will turn around in 2 (occasionally 3) years or it won't.
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So we move on if he only wins eight games this season? I want to make sure I have this right.
 
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JgDaCane said:
Yeah we gotta chill & stack up. He's gonna get us the talent. X's & O's aren't his thing but he'll get the coordinators once we start getting the talent. We'll be the top destination once we start pumping first rounders again for coordinators to leap themselves to HC roles.
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NIck and Kirby won double digit games in year 2 at bama and UGA lol. dont put Mario in their category until he wins that here next year.
 
mcnaire2004 said:
That doesn't work. If he's going to win a ring here he needs to be winning this year and be competitive. Stacking talent is a myth. That's what TAMU does.

Here's every Coach to win a ring since 1970 (much of the 60s is also covered). Above the line is this century (2000-2022). You don't see very much stacking of talent in the modern era. If a coach is going to get you there he's going to start producing soon. No chill!

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Literally every coach above the blue line stockpiled massive amounts of talent. Except for Coker and we all know what type of situation that was.

All of those coaches are elite recruiters.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Literally every coach above the blue line stockpiled massive amounts of talent. Except for Coker and we all know what type of situation that was.

All of those coaches are elite recruiters.
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They didn't need to stockpile to turn the program around by year 2. Unless you think 1.5 recruiting classes to get to year 2 is stockpiling. Then you are correct.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Mario can recruit. But, can he hire competent staff and coach on game day? I will wait and see.
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Right. That was the concern coming in. Great recruiter, understands infrastructure and can get the resources. BUT needs a great staff because game day is mediocre. So the hope continues to be that because he is a smart guy and a hard worker that he continues to maximize and adapt his strengths while recognizing and growing in the areas in which he is weak.

2022 was more doubts than answers so we wait and see what we have once the season starts and week by week…
 
Angry Ibis said:
Right. That was the concern coming in. Great recruiter, understands infrastructure and can get the resources. BUT needs a great staff because game day is mediocre. So the hope continues to be that because he is a smart guy and a hard worker that he continues to maximize and adapt his strengths while recognizing and growing in the areas in which he is weak.

2022 was more doubts than answers so we wait and see what we have once the season starts and week by week…
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I’m not quite so sure about that. Now before I start, yes he ABSOLUTELY **** the bed last season and the “All-Star” cast completely blew up in his face. Big strike 1 next to him.

But he did do some things that give me optimism heading into 2023…

1. Completely gutted the failed staff, no second chances. He understands the urgency.
2. Appears to have had an offensive epiphany and went with a guy at OC that while still wanting to place an emphasis on running the ball, has a vertical passing threat and maximizes his skill set.
3. Hired a certified savage at DC that was being blacklisted from higher programs due to events that occurred decades ago
4. Filled position coaches with young and hungry recruiters, notably Taylor.
5. Completely revamped the offensive line to protect TVD and brought in the top center in the country, one of the top (if not the top) pass protector in the country in Cohen, as well As arguably the best OL recruiting class in the country.
6. Convinced most of the productive players on the 2022 team to not hit the portal.
7. Completely flipped the DB room, a glaring weakness in 2022.
8. Added some talented and experienced bodies in the front seven.

I might be missing some things, but these are all phenomenal accomplishments in one season. Now…it has to translate to a better record on the field
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I’m not quite so sure about that. Now before I start, yes he ABSOLUTELY **** the bed last season and the “All-Star” cast completely blew up in his face. Big strike 1 next to him.

But he did do some things that give me optimism heading into 2023…

1. Completely gutted the failed staff, no second chances. He understands the urgency.
2. Appears to have had an offensive epiphany and went with a guy at OC that while still wanting to place an emphasis on running the ball, has a vertical passing threat and maximizes his skill set.
3. Hired a certified savage at DC that was being blacklisted from higher programs dude to events that occurred decades ago
4. Filled position coaches with young and hungry recruiters, notably Taylor.
5. Completely revamped the offensive line to protect TVD and brought in the top center in the country, one of the top of not the top pass protector in the country in Cohen, as well As arguably the best OL recruiting class in the country.
6. Convinced most of the productive players on the 2022 team to not hit the portal.
7. Completely flipped the DB room, a glaring weakness in 2022.
8. Added some talented and experienced bodies in the front seven.

I might be missing some things, but These are all phenomenal accomplishments in one season. Now…it has to translate to a better record on the field
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Not disagreeing but I really hope he isn’t doomed by his loyalty or blind eye to TVD
 
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