All about the Syracuse Tampa 2 Defense

[LuCane]

Thanks for sharing the article.

To be absolutely clear to others, this isn't a political board. You're free to say what you wish on OFF TOPIC subjects over at West End Zone or elsewhere. You're free to comment here as well, but extended political convos are out of place on a FOOTBALL BOARD or a football thread created by a dude encouraging discussion on our next opponent.

Cot**** Facebook is confusing everyone.

 

[simplycanes]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

 

[LuCane]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

The way I've heard it explained by defensive coordinators at higher levels during their videos, camps, etc., is they're essentially trying to make it a numbers game. They're banking on the offense making a mistake and being unable to get five 10 yard completions. I've explained in other threads I vehemently disagree with this philosophy as a general go-to strategy. Out of context, we don't know if the QB is incredibly accurate, or poised, or capable. We don't know a lot of variables.

It's what makes blitzing the FSU QB to death less sensical and sitting in base zone against a highly accurate Toledo QB less than optimal. Defensive coordinators have a really tough job now and the days of following a fixed strategy are pretty much over. Having different "pitches" and "speeds" to attack an offense is a necessity now.

For us, I think we (Diaz and crew) start in the right place: err on the side of aggression and getting offenses behind schedule. From there, Diaz has, at least up to now, shown solid second half adjustments depending on what's going on.

 

[UMFarArcher]

What’s up with your avatar having that flag?

The St. Andrews Cross? With *****'s?

You don't like the *****'s . . . ?

 

[simplycanes]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

The way I've heard it explained by defensive coordinators at higher levels during their videos, camps, etc., is they're essentially trying to make it a numbers game. They're banking on the offense making a mistake and being unable to get five 10 yard completions. I've explained in other threads I vehemently disagree with this philosophy as a general go-to strategy. Out of context, we don't know if the QB is incredibly accurate, or poised, or capable. We don't know a lot of variables.

It's what makes blitzing the FSU QB to death less sensical and sitting in base zone against a highly accurate Toledo QB less than optimal. Defensive coordinators have a really tough job now and the days of following a fixed strategy are pretty much over. Having different "pitches" and "speeds" to attack an offense is a necessity now.

For us, I think we (Diaz and crew) start in the right place: err on the side of aggression and getting offenses behind schedule. From there, Diaz has, at least up to now, shown solid second half adjustments depending on what's going on.

I hear you. I've seen and heard it described similarly as well. You know far more about Xs and Os than I do, but my view has always been that situational awareness is what's most important in coordinating really all phases of the game, but defense in particular. I completely agree with this approach if you're facing a QB with known accuracy issues or light experience in making these reads/decisions. The statistics support that such a QB is more likely to hit one "lucky" deep crossing route for 30 yards than 3 of anything in a row. I don't like it as a staple of your defensive philosophy. Even though the offense knows where it's going, bend but don't break always breaks, albeit more slowly, so forcing or creating negative plays on early downs allows you to tip the hand more in your favor by eliminating or reducing the effective parts of the playbook. That too is a numbers game, and what I believe Diaz does best, albeit sometimes too much, e.g. the FSU game as you say.

On the Syracuse defense itself, I see where cutting them to death will open up opportunities for Herndon downfield in particular. Something we haven't shown much of this season. We have shown him in the flat a lot, so while we can use that as a decoy to stretch the field with WRs, I would like us to use Berrios and Thomas underneath to setup Herndon downfield, too. Just my thoughts here.

 

[UMFarArcher]

What’s up with your avatar having that flag?

It's the confederate flag with ****s on it. What's the issue?

I thought it was a real confederate flag. I was about to say take that **** elsewhere

Battle flag, I believe is what you're referring to.

You wouldn't recognize the Flag of the Confederacy if it was on the back of your car.

 

[Loose Cannon]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

The way I've heard it explained by defensive coordinators at higher levels during their videos, camps, etc., is they're essentially trying to make it a numbers game. They're banking on the offense making a mistake and being unable to get five 10 yard completions. I've explained in other threads I vehemently disagree with this philosophy as a general go-to strategy. Out of context, we don't know if the QB is incredibly accurate, or poised, or capable. We don't know a lot of variables.

It's what makes blitzing the FSU QB to death less sensical and sitting in base zone against a highly accurate Toledo QB less than optimal. Defensive coordinators have a really tough job now and the days of following a fixed strategy are pretty much over. Having different "pitches" and "speeds" to attack an offense is a necessity now.

For us, I think we (Diaz and crew) start in the right place: err on the side of aggression and getting offenses behind schedule. From there, Diaz has, at least up to now, shown solid second half adjustments depending on what's going on.

Why all the sudden emphasis on screens and short passes? I mean, I get the concept, but I always thought you run the ball against a 6 man box. Is that still the math, or am I old school? If you're looking at 5 man coverage you run the ball. ESPECIALLY if they're playing deep. I've seen a lot of grief being given for Rosier not taking the bubble early against Ga Tech, saying it's a free 6 yards. But Homer's first runs went 11, 11, 12, 1, 2, 32. I keep doing that until they bring a man down into the box to stop it, and if I even think about throwing the ball it's going to be at least deep enough to keep the defense in that coverage.

 

[Mnhurricane]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

The way I've heard it explained by defensive coordinators at higher levels during their videos, camps, etc., is they're essentially trying to make it a numbers game. They're banking on the offense making a mistake and being unable to get five 10 yard completions. I've explained in other threads I vehemently disagree with this philosophy as a general go-to strategy. Out of context, we don't know if the QB is incredibly accurate, or poised, or capable. We don't know a lot of variables.

It's what makes blitzing the FSU QB to death less sensical and sitting in base zone against a highly accurate Toledo QB less than optimal. Defensive coordinators have a really tough job now and the days of following a fixed strategy are pretty much over. Having different "pitches" and "speeds" to attack an offense is a necessity now.

For us, I think we (Diaz and crew) start in the right place: err on the side of aggression and getting offenses behind schedule. From there, Diaz has, at least up to now, shown solid second half adjustments depending on what's going on.

Why all the sudden emphasis on screens and short passes? I mean, I get the concept, but I always thought you run the ball against a 6 man box. Is that still the math, or am I old school? If you're looking at 5 man coverage you run the ball. ESPECIALLY if they're playing deep. I've seen a lot of grief being given for Rosier not taking the bubble early against Ga Tech, saying it's a free 6 yards. But Homer's first runs went 11, 11, 12, 1, 2, 32. I keep doing that until they bring a man down into the box to stop it, and if I even think about throwing the ball it's going to be at least deep enough to keep the defense in that coverage.

No you're right that's still the math.. But I think with off coverage we get so excited about our playmakers outside that we get ahead of ourselves when thinking of them in space with the ball in their hands. Now if we couldn't block worth a **** then maybe there would be legitimate gripe about needing more bubbles in that scenario but that's not currently the case

 

[Hurracanes]

What’s up with your avatar having that flag?

Look closer.

 

[TriStarCane]

If they are going to play off, our offense should look a lot like the offense we ran on our last drive against GT. Bubbles for 7-9 yards and outside zones. make them stop us. Our athletes are going to break one for 15-20 at least once or twice.

 

[cowboycane]

It's the confederate flag with ****s on it. What's the issue?

I thought it was a real confederate flag. I was about to say take that **** elsewhere

Even if it were, he has every right to display it as you do to object. Thats the beauty of this country.

Go canes.

Aaaah displaying symbols of treason. The beauty.

That IS the beauty of a free society. It is why flag burning is protected and it why kneeling for the anthem is protected.

I was just thinking that the real strength of the Tampa 2 is the free speech protections it affords.

 

[Loose Cannon]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

The way I've heard it explained by defensive coordinators at higher levels during their videos, camps, etc., is they're essentially trying to make it a numbers game. They're banking on the offense making a mistake and being unable to get five 10 yard completions. I've explained in other threads I vehemently disagree with this philosophy as a general go-to strategy. Out of context, we don't know if the QB is incredibly accurate, or poised, or capable. We don't know a lot of variables.

It's what makes blitzing the FSU QB to death less sensical and sitting in base zone against a highly accurate Toledo QB less than optimal. Defensive coordinators have a really tough job now and the days of following a fixed strategy are pretty much over. Having different "pitches" and "speeds" to attack an offense is a necessity now.

For us, I think we (Diaz and crew) start in the right place: err on the side of aggression and getting offenses behind schedule. From there, Diaz has, at least up to now, shown solid second half adjustments depending on what's going on.

Why all the sudden emphasis on screens and short passes? I mean, I get the concept, but I always thought you run the ball against a 6 man box. Is that still the math, or am I old school? If you're looking at 5 man coverage you run the ball. ESPECIALLY if they're playing deep. I've seen a lot of grief being given for Rosier not taking the bubble early against Ga Tech, saying it's a free 6 yards. But Homer's first runs went 11, 11, 12, 1, 2, 32. I keep doing that until they bring a man down into the box to stop it, and if I even think about throwing the ball it's going to be at least deep enough to keep the defense in that coverage.

No you're right that's still the math.. But I think with off coverage we get so excited about our playmakers outside that we get ahead of ourselves when thinking of them in space with the ball in their hands. Now if we couldn't block worth a **** then maybe there would be legitimate gripe about needing more bubbles in that scenario but that's not currently the case

Dugans has definitely put an emphasis on blocking, and it is much better this year than it has been in recent memory. But we've had more explosive gains on running plays in 5 games this year than we have had come on bubble screens in the bast 5 years. That is not even an exaggeration. I cannot remember the last time I saw a Miami player take a bubble screen to the house. When you can run on a team at will you wear them down and steal their heart, and the moment they sell out the back end to stop the run you cut their throat with play action.

 

[5XNC]

the hitch or screen or whatever is just an extended run...

 

[Loose Cannon]

the hitch or screen or whatever is just an extended run...

I understand that, and I am not against using them. But some posters have just become obsessed with it anytime the secondary isn't in press/man. With a 6 man box and 5 defenders deep, the best play call has always been and still is a running play because the one thing that cannot happen on a run play is an incomplete pass.

 

[OldhamA]

If they're gonna play off then throw hitch until they're blue in the face.

I've watched several Syracuse games cause I've got a kid there and it baffles me at times with how willing they are to give up 7+ completions to the outside.

Never understood the philosophy of it's better to give up 5 10 yard completions as opposed to one 50. Death by cuts isn't a way to go either.

Obviously Cover 2 only works if your front 4 can get to the QB quickly.

Otherwise you're just giving the QB easy throws to nickle and dime you all the way down the field.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

So the Tampa 2 style that SU plays is designed primarily to stop explosive plays by conceding the short game, yet they are statistically awful at stopping explosive plays. Their D voluntarily gives up short gains and can't stop long gains. Interesting defensive philosophy. Success seems to hinge on the hope that a QB isn't accurate or making wrong reads as opposed to actually disrupting the qb. If Rosier starts off slow again go with the hogs and just run Homer up the soft middle.

Here's the SU depth chart for the game. They have undersized DEs. No one above 245 lbs.

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2017/...depth-chart-vs-miami-orange-hurricanes-roster

 

[Loose Cannon]

So the Tampa 2 style that SU plays is designed primarily to stop explosive plays by conceding the short game, yet they are statistically awful at stopping explosive plays. So their D voluntarily gives up short gains and can't stop long gains. Interesting defensive philosophy.

 

[jw410]

What’s up with your avatar having that flag?

It's the confederate flag with ****s on it. What's the issue?

I thought it was a real confederate flag. I was about to say take that **** elsewhere

Even if it were, he has every right to display it as you do to object. Thats the beauty of this country.

Go canes.

Some things are better... nevermind you would never get it.

 

[RedSquare]

What’s up with your avatar having that flag?

It's the confederate flag with ****s on it. What's the issue?

I thought it was a real confederate flag. I was about to say take that **** elsewhere

Even if it were, he has every right to display it as you do to object. Thats the beauty of this country.

Go canes.

oh, lord.

I feel a hate crime coming on ...

 

[1mg of Epi]

What’s up with your avatar having that flag?

It's the confederate flag with ****s on it. What's the issue?

No issue. His avatar is good. And good for u.