All-22 Review of the 'Canes defense vs. UNC

[Ironmanfootball]

I took a look at ~20 plays. Missed tackles, confusion, bad eyes, loafs, bad angles... you name it, it's happening

 

[LuCane]

You’ve been harping on the tackling for a while now and showing videos of other programs be what we preach and teach. Think it’s time you’re fully recognized for being on it.

Aside from that, this is what I have a problem with, too:

That is a lot of space and comfort. 7 on 7 folks have tighter windows and more stress.

 

[BeastMode]

This might go down as the worst passing defense in the history of Miami football. How is that possible. Is the talent that subpar(I think it’s part of the problem) are they not smart enough to play zone, do they not practice, is it injuries? This is wild to watch play out so far this year.

 

[CaneMutiny06]

This might go down as the worst passing defense in the history of Miami football. How is that possible. Is the talent that subpar(I think it’s part of the problem) are they not smart enough to play zone, do they not practice, is it injuries? This is wild to watch play out so far this year.

Our backers are what they are (run stuffing JAG+ types that lack the fluidity to cover well in space), but in the secondary we’ve got Fitz, Poyser, Lucas, EOC, Dunnigan….dont even need to bring up the talent on DL.

There may be more talented defenses out there but it’s not many of them. If you want to sell injuries I can buy it to a degree, but “talent” has to be near the bottom.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

You’ve been harping on the tackling for a while now and showing videos of other programs be what we preach and teach. Think it’s time you’re fully recognized for being on it.

Aside from that, this is what I have a problem with, too:

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That is a lot of space and comfort. 7 on 7 folks have tighter windows and more stress.

It's crazy "high school open" space +

it seems the players don't understand how to handle a 2-way go so they either sit dead still and let the guy use them up (space creates time, you should eliminate space on defense)

OR- they run like insane people and you KNOW that will never make a tackle because you're not in control.

They need to learn when to crossover, when to scrape, when to scallup, when to buzz, and how to finish once in the zone

I've taken a ton of classes on tackling and drills. @Rugby_guy has a great one, USA FB isn't bad, plus doing S&C with rugby, wrestled, was a DC for a while.

Gotta tackle and track live targets, not just pool floats

 

[Canes Legacy]

You’ve been harping on the tackling for a while now and showing videos of other programs be what we preach and teach. Think it’s time you’re fully recognized for being on it.

Aside from that, this is what I have a problem with, too:

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That is a lot of space and comfort. 7 on 7 folks have tighter windows and more stress.

I was saying all last night Sat night that we made the game very easy for an average QB. Lack of pass rush/UNC getting it out quick and very, very soft zones leaving a ton of space. There's a reason why QBs are having career highs against this defense.

The personnel might not be the 85 Bears but it's littered with blue chips.

 

[ST26]

This might go down as the worst passing defense in the history of Miami football. How is that possible. Is the talent that subpar(I think it’s part of the problem) are they not smart enough to play zone, do they not practice, is it injuries? This is wild to watch play out so far this year.

It's the same CB room as last season. The only DBs we lost were Scott and Thomas. Although both those guys are studs, the fact that we have this much of a drop-off is a head-scratcher. On paper, it should be one of the best in the country

 

[skyman]

This might go down as the worst passing defense in the history of Miami football. How is that possible. Is the talent that subpar(I think it’s part of the problem) are they not smart enough to play zone, do they not practice, is it injuries? This is wild to watch play out so far this year.

LB have no accountability to cover anything ever, WR could be right next to them and they will stare at QB and cover grass, never look for work, so we run super bail country cover 3 with no underneath guys.. I think the FSU explosive made us harp even harder to bail even farther, even in redzone so underneath is always open, RB screens are 20+ explosives

 

[88]

Big corners who struggle to cover but don't press and can't tackle; big slow linebackers lost in coverage; horrible angles by safeties... And a DC running the exact same scheme all season.

Is any of this fixable?

 

[Ironmanfootball]

but it's littered with blue chips.

The entire DL are 5-stars, no? There's plenty of enough talent there. Just have to adjust to use them properly. Some of this cannot be fixed in-season (angles, tackling technique, OODA Loop/eyes)

 

[BeastMode]

Our backers are what they are (run stuffing JAG+ types that lack the fluidity to cover well in space), but in the secondary we’ve got Fitz, Poyser, Lucas, EOC, Dunnigan….dont even need to bring up the talent on DL.

There may be more talented defenses out there but it’s not many of them. If you want to sell injuries I can buy it to a degree, but “talent” has to be near the bottom.

Out of the secondary guys that you named how many of them do you think will play in the NFL? That’s how I base my discussion for talent. Right now JJ is the only one that I see that has NFL traits.

I’m not even sure if some of those guys would even get drafted. Maybe very very late NFL but I don’t see any of them actually playing in the NFL currently. Fitz is unique as he clearly is a ball hawk, but I don’t know where he would fit on an NFL roster with his lack of physicality.

None of the cornerbacks impressed me. They might be able to make a practice squad.

 

[amanan28]

The entire DL are 5-stars, no? There's plenty of enough talent there. Just have to adjust to use them properly. Some of this cannot be fixed in-season (angles, tackling technique, OODA Loop/eyes)

Eyes and feel IMO can get better as the season progresses and game slows down, still it's pretty bad right now.

Side note...you military? Referencing OODA Loop been a while since I have heard that term.

 

[JgDaCane]

Couldn't have happened at a better time. Our guys get to hear all week how horrible they are, how they're underdogs, & how nobody thinks were worth a **** all while getting some bad tape to learn from. UNC game was a blessing. Go Canes.

 

[rvalenza]

You’ve been harping on the tackling for a while now and showing videos of other programs be what we preach and teach. Think it’s time you’re fully recognized for being on it.

Aside from that, this is what I have a problem with, too:

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That is a lot of space and comfort. 7 on 7 folks have tighter windows and more stress.

Went to a 3-man rush on 3rd down in the redzon I think. Any competent QB can sit back there and find someone with time. Safeties in the endzone. They throw underneath for an easy score.

 

[Ironmanfootball]

as the season progresses and game slows down

Harder games ahead re ND, Duke, VT, Charlotte and CFB PO... Miami's played one real team (WF) so far

Side note...you military? Referencing OODA Loop been a while since I have heard that term.

Nah but my dad was

 

[Ironmanfootball]

Big corners who struggle to cover but don't press and can't tackle; big slow linebackers lost in coverage; horrible angles by safeties... And a DC running the exact same scheme all season.

Is any of this fixable?

the big slow but don't jam thing is WILD. I got why he wanted to run some tampa 2 w those jits but eeeesh

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Ok I feel compelled to jump in here. Quick preface - this isn't some sort of defense of Hetherman, the players, their effort, etc. However, when I read about blue chips all over the place and we only lost Thomas and Scott, it's completely disingenuous. It is indeed true that we have blue chippers all over the place. It's also true that we "only" lost Scott and Thomas. That said, a far more truthful statement would be that in addition to losing Scott and Thomas to the NFL, we also lost CB1 and CB 3 for the entire season (thus far) and CB2 for 6 games and while we do have blue chippers all over the defense, most of those blue chips in the secondary are freshmen and/or lack meaningful experience. Thornton has stunk in pass defense. Damari Brown has shown little to nothing during his time here to warrant his blue chip status out of high school.

Feel free to rip the staff, the players,etc. That defensive performance Saturday was pretty pathetic. Please keep it real.

My honest opinion (that no one asked for) is that this is 70% personnel and 30% scheme/coach/tackling. The personnel is what it is at this point. The scheme/philosophy is clearly to stop the run no matter what, try to limit explosives via passing game and deal with the short/intermediate stuff hoping the opponents won't execute at the same rate our offense does. I'm good with the emphasis on stopping the run. I'm good with limiting explosives. I'm not good with just accepting that teams can put their RBs and TEs against our LBs and pass at will. Our LBs are in their 6th and 8th seasons of CFB. They can't cover. Chase falls for eye candy WAY too much. I have to believe that the backups aren't any better. I think Hetherman could mix up his blitzes more. Other than that, I think we are kinda stuck. Feel free to rip this take, but I think it's pretty fair and honest.

 

[P-Tizzle]

I can't watch this **** show. Defense is horrible.

 

[Shogungts]

Out of the secondary guys that you named how many of them do you think will play in the NFL? That’s how I base my discussion for talent. Right now JJ is the only one that I see that has NFL traits.

I’m not even sure if some of those guys would even get drafted. Maybe very very late NFL but I don’t see any of them actually playing in the NFL currently. Fitz is unique as he clearly is a ball hawk, but I don’t know where he would fit on an NFL roster with his lack of physicality.

None of the cornerbacks impressed me. They might be able to make a practice squad.

Eh... I would buy into this more if the secondary was getting exposed by great offenses, but they are getting exposed by teams who put up average yards against average teams. Do we really think that Syracuse, Duke, VT, UVA, Louisville and Pitt all have a bunch of NFL players in the secondary? Or that all of those teams have more talent on defense than us?

I understand if we are talking comparing our secondary to national title contenders, but I am just comparing how our D made our last 3 opponents' QBs look compared to how they looked versus other teams.

UNCs QB's numbers:

FSU QB's numbers

Even Pitt's QB who had a crappy day against us still fared better than most of the other teams he played

 

[mosthated305]

Ok I feel compelled to jump in here. Quick preface - this isn't some sort of defense of Hetherman, the players, their effort, etc. However, when I read about blue chips all over the place and we only lost Thomas and Scott, it's completely disingenuous. It is indeed true that we have blue chippers all over the place. It's also true that we "only" lost Scott and Thomas. That said, a far more truthful statement would be that in addition to losing Scott and Thomas to the NFL, we also lost CB1 and CB 3 for the entire season (thus far) and CB2 for 6 games and while we do have blue chippers all over the defense, most of those blue chips in the secondary are freshmen and/or lack meaningful experience. Thornton has stunk in pass defense. Damari Brown has shown little to nothing during his time here to warrant his blue chip status out of high school.

Feel free to rip the staff, the players,etc. That defensive performance Saturday was pretty pathetic. Please keep it real.

My honest opinion (that no one asked for) is that this is 70% personnel and 30% scheme/coach/tackling. The personnel is what it is at this point. The scheme/philosophy is clearly to stop the run no matter what, try to limit explosives via passing game and deal with the short/intermediate stuff hoping the opponents won't execute at the same rate our offense does. I'm good with the emphasis on stopping the run. I'm good with limiting explosives. I'm not good with just accepting that teams can put their RBs and TEs against our LBs and pass at will. Our LBs are in their 6th and 8th seasons of CFB. They can't cover. Chase falls for eye candy WAY too much. I have to believe that the backups aren't any better. I think Hetherman could mix up his blitzes more. Other than that, I think we are kinda stuck. Feel free to rip this take, but I think it's pretty fair and honest.

I would like to see us blitz the slow LBs instead of DBs from 30 yards away. Mo was great as a blitzer last year but we havent seen it this year. Is Heatherman saving it? I don't get the free releases and leaving the middle of the field open the way we do. CBs are constantly bailing also and completely taking themselves out of the play. DBs never in position to make plays on the ball. Crazy we are doing all this to avoid big plays in the passing game but still giving up big plays in the passing game. Obviously what we are doing isnt working. Gotta mix things ups.