Alex Collins

[duke4heisman]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

but back in the day we had James jackson, najeh, portis, mcgahee, and then gore all in a row. Frank Gore was 3rd string here after setting Dade HS records. It can happen if you have the right situation.

Butch Davis.

 

[bmorecane]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

but back in the day we had James jackson, najeh, portis, mcgahee, and then gore all in a row. Frank Gore was 3rd string here after setting Dade HS records. It can happen if you have the right situation.

Mentality of these particular players were different. People are telling these kids they can be stars in places like Arkansas. FSU needed a featured back to follow Devonta Freeman, plus there is extra issue that Cook and Yearby prob didn't want to continue splitting carries and would surely not want to be splitting it 3 ways with Sony since they are all the same yr. Kids want to make it to the NFL and get NFL $ as soon as possible. You are never gonna get Sony, Yearby, and Cook in one class or even 2 of those.

Frank and Willis were at that level but in different, staggered classes. The others were in previous classes and also staggered.

 

[canesrdynamite]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

but back in the day we had James jackson, najeh, portis, mcgahee, and then gore all in a row. Frank Gore was 3rd string here after setting Dade HS records. It can happen if you have the right situation.

Mentality of these particular players were different. People are telling these kids they can be stars in places like Arkansas. FSU needed a featured back to follow Devonta Freeman, plus there is extra issue that Cook and Yearby prob didn't want to continue splitting carries and would surely not want to be splitting it 3 ways with Sony since they are all the same yr. Kids want to make it to the NFL and get NFL $ as soon as possible. You are never gonna get Sony, Yearby, and Cook in one class or even 2 of those.

Frank and Willis were at that level but in different, staggered classes. The others were in previous classes and also staggered.

Maybe it is mentality or staggered classes. I'm just sayin if you put together a ridiculously talented team, the guys who want to compete and win will sign up. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think there are plenty of guys out there who would want to be on a team like that.

The guys who want a guaranteed spot will go somewhere else, but that's not any different now than it was back then.

I'm not convinced that every SoFL kid would have the same reaction.

 

[bmorecane]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

but back in the day we had James jackson, najeh, portis, mcgahee, and then gore all in a row. Frank Gore was 3rd string here after setting Dade HS records. It can happen if you have the right situation.

Mentality of these particular players were different. People are telling these kids they can be stars in places like Arkansas. FSU needed a featured back to follow Devonta Freeman, plus there is extra issue that Cook and Yearby prob didn't want to continue splitting carries and would surely not want to be splitting it 3 ways with Sony since they are all the same yr. Kids want to make it to the NFL and get NFL $ as soon as possible. You are never gonna get Sony, Yearby, and Cook in one class or even 2 of those.

Frank and Willis were at that level but in different, staggered classes. The others were in previous classes and also staggered.

Maybe it is mentality or staggered classes. I'm just sayin if you put together a ridiculously talented team, the guys who want to compete and win will sign up. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think there are plenty of guys out there who would want to be on a team like that.

The guys who want a guaranteed spot will go somewhere else, but that's not any different now than it was back then.

I'm not convinced that every SoFL kid would have the same reaction.

I agree that its possible with the right coach, kids, and recruiting strategy, but it wasn't that year.

 

[CaptJackSparrow]

BAMA always has a backfield of studs it definitely can be done

 

[Coach Macho]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

 

[Dwinstitles]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

U cant explain it to these guys lol, the rules only apply to miami.......all fking excuses

 

[Sonny Long]

BAMA always has a backfield of studs it definitely can be done

Butch had Portis, McGahee and Gore on one team ============ 30,000 NFL Rushing yards later

Butch would do it again!

 

[Coach Macho]

Gurley
Chubb
Michel

 

[bmorecane]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

And Yearby signed on with Duke and Gus on board. My point is that odds are 3 elite Rbs will not come into the same class together. Someone is gonna ride the bench when the time to be featured comes or, worst in their eyes, be redshirted to stagger backs. Most of these elite backs want to be featured either right away or to be the next, great back of the program. Sony and Chubb were the next 2 backs in line and Sony was ready to wait his turn, but not with 2 other elite backs in the same class. Collins, much less impatient than Sony, wanted to be featured right away.

Scarlett and Cronkite are competing, but again that's only two backs in one class and UF needed much help in that department, even with Taylor on board. In the case of yearby and cook, it appears they were done splitting carries.

Yeah, we should have probably closed on another one of those backs if we were winning more games under a better coach, but "EVERYONE!" is not realistic.

 

[bmorecane]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

U cant explain it to these guys lol, the rules only apply to miami.......all fking excuses

You are nutz to think we could get Cook, Sony, and Yearby in the same yr.

 

[FSisco7]

All I wanted was half the backs we missed on the last 3 years.

 

[Coach Macho]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

And Yearby signed on with Duke and Gus on board. My point is that odds are 3 elite Rbs will not come into the same class together. Someone is gonna ride the bench when the time to be featured comes or, worst in their eyes, be redshirted to stagger backs. Most of these elite backs want to be featured either right away or to be the next, great back of the program. Sony and Chubb were the next 2 backs in line and Sony was ready to wait his turn, but not with 2 other elite backs in the same class. Collins, much less impatient than Sony, wanted to be featured right away.

Scarlett and Cronkite are competing, but again that's only two backs in one class and UF needed much help in that department, even with Taylor on board. In the case of yearby and cook, it appears they were done splitting carries.

Yeah, we should have probably closed on another one of those backs if we were winning more games under a better coach, but "EVERYONE!" is not realistic.

OK. lol

 

[CaneScott]

It surprises me that so many people here complain about not getting cook or any other running back. The biggest miss was Amari Cooper in a year where our only 2 WR recruits that have really done anything are Herb Waters and Malcolm Lewis.

 

[bmorecane]

It surprises me that so many people here complain about not getting cook or any other running back. The biggest miss was Amari Cooper in a year where our only 2 WR recruits that have really done anything are Herb Waters and Malcolm Lewis.

If we are recruiting where we should be, Cook should be here over Yearby, Amari over Herb or Malcom, Collins over Ray Lewis III, and Teddy over no-QB-taken-in-that-class. Don't get everyone, just the best down here. Gotta keep the difference makers.

 

[CaneScott]

It surprises me that so many people here complain about not getting cook or any other running back. The biggest miss was Amari Cooper in a year where our only 2 WR recruits that have really done anything are Herb Waters and Malcolm Lewis.

If we are recruiting where we should be, Cook should be here over Yearby, Amari over Herb or Malcom, Collins over Ray Lewis III, and Teddy over no-QB-taken-in-that-class. Don't get everyone, just the best down here. Gotta keep the difference makers.

Im of the assumption if we are 10 win team we still probably dont get cook, he just didnt want to come here. Some of the other guys though like Teddy, Cooper, Ridley, and Dexter Williams definitely come though. Just hard to sell a team that hasnt won anything substantial in over a decade.

Really blows my mind looking back that we didnt get Teddy. I can think of excuses for a lot of the other guys but not really for losing him.

 

[bmorecane]

It surprises me that so many people here complain about not getting cook or any other running back. The biggest miss was Amari Cooper in a year where our only 2 WR recruits that have really done anything are Herb Waters and Malcolm Lewis.

If we are recruiting where we should be, Cook should be here over Yearby, Amari over Herb or Malcom, Collins over Ray Lewis III, and Teddy over no-QB-taken-in-that-class. Don't get everyone, just the best down here. Gotta keep the difference makers.

Im of the assumption if we are 10 win team we still probably dont get cook, he just didnt want to come here. Some of the other guys though like Teddy, Cooper, Ridley, and Dexter Williams definitely come though. Just hard to sell a team that hasnt won anything substantial in over a decade.

Really blows my mind looking back that we didnt get Teddy. I can think of excuses for a lot of the other guys but not really for losing him.

This will blow your mind even more. Extend Randy for one more year and he comes here...and Randy probably wins with that team.

 

[INCaneFan]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

U cant explain it to these guys lol, the rules only apply to miami.......all fking excuses

You are nutz to think we could get Cook, Sony, and Yearby in the same yr.

Check out our '04 class sometime.

You had the following who were all 4/5 star talent:

Bobby Washington
Charlie Jones
Andrew Johnson

We also took a 3/4 star named Derron Thomas.

This was one year after taking 4/5 star Tyrone Moss the year before.

So while it's unlikely, it can happen. I'm not into excuses and we've whiffed big on some major talent at the RB position lately. Recruiting is salesmanship and changing minds. We've failed in that with so much talent heading elsewhere.

 

[Rellyrell]

should of had him and cook n michel

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

but back in the day we had James jackson, najeh, portis, mcgahee, and then gore all in a row. Frank Gore was 3rd string here after setting Dade HS records. It can happen if you have the right situation.

Mentality of these particular players were different. People are telling these kids they can be stars in places like Arkansas. FSU needed a featured back to follow Devonta Freeman, plus there is extra issue that Cook and Yearby prob didn't want to continue splitting carries and would surely not want to be splitting it 3 ways with Sony since they are all the same yr. Kids want to make it to the NFL and get NFL $ as soon as possible. You are never gonna get Sony, Yearby, and Cook in one class or even 2 of those.

Frank and Willis were at that level but in different, staggered classes. The others were in previous classes and also staggered.

Bull! FSU pulled in Jacques Patrick this year and Cook is only a Sophmore.
UF still had Kelvin Taylor, the No. 1 back in the nation coming out, they had Brandon Powell, Cronkrite had already committed and Jordan Scarlett still committed to them last year.

It's all about coaching and what a program can do to put that kid in the best position to succeed. Kids are still going to top schools, regardless who's there in their position. If going by ur logic was legit, then these smaller programs would get these kids b/c they wanna start.

The U gets the right coach, and we'll have a loaded revolver again at all positions.

 

[bmorecane]

People don't understand these kids want to be featured from the get go. Thats what most of them didn't come. You would never have Cook, Sony, Yearby, and Collins join one team that is already featuring Duke. They all want to be Duke at the same time. That's why they are elsewhere.

Dude...

Sony signed with a team that had TWO guys that were better than Duke.

Scarlett signed with UF along with Cronkite and they already had Taylor.

U cant explain it to these guys lol, the rules only apply to miami.......all fking excuses

You are nutz to think we could get Cook, Sony, and Yearby in the same yr.

Check out our '04 class sometime.

You had the following who were all 4/5 star talent:

Bobby Washington
Charlie Jones
Andrew Johnson

We also took a 3/4 star named Derron Thomas.

This was one year after taking 4/5 star Tyrone Moss the year before.

So while it's unlikely, it can happen. I'm not into excuses and we've whiffed big on some major talent at the RB position lately. Recruiting is salesmanship and changing minds. We've failed in that with so much talent heading elsewhere.

I guess it can happen, but, then again, back then we were the U, not far removed from the NC and greatest team ever with a record of the most first-round picks in a four-year period (19, from 2001 through 2004).

BTW I did do some reading on those guys...wow, what a colossal FAIL at recruiting that was!

Where Are They Now? The "Losses" from the Recruiting Class of 2004 | BuckeyePlanet
Where Are They Now? The "Losses" from the Recruiting Class of 2004
Discussion in 'News' started by LordJeffBuck, Jul 17, 2008.

Running Back

Bobby Washington (Miami) - Coming out of Dade County in 2004, Bobby Washington and Charlie Jones (see below) were two of the top running back prospects in the entire country. Both had the swollen egos that often accompany stardom (even when it is only achieved at the high school level), and both decided to attend The U, where each claimed that he would be The Man and that his teammate/opponent would be "nothing". Unfortunately, before that epic intra-squad showdown could occur, Washington failed to gain admission to Miami (academic issues), and re-signed with North Carolina State. As a true freshman, Washington had 151 yards rushing, 34 yards receiving, and no touchdowns for the Wolfpack; as a sophomore, he had only 34 yards rushing and 14 yards receiving for a rather mediocre N.C. State team. Obviously, this lack of success is the fault of the Wolfpack coaching staff, and Bobby is threatening to transfer to another school (he wanted Miami, but it looks like Michigan State will have to do). Yet another blue chip bust who is still relying on his Rivals100 ranking to claim stardom. Update July 2008: After failing to gain admission to Miami and busting out at North Carolina State, Bobby Washington went the Division 1-AA route and transferred to Eastern Kentucky. Washington actually had a fairly decent career for the Colonels, as his two-year totals would indicate: 288 rushes for 1,559 yards (5.4 average) and 15 touchdowns; 44 receptions for 416 yards and 4 touchdowns. Still, being a big shot on a "championship subdivision" team is hardly what one would expect from a former super big time prospect who had offers from every major program in the country. Two stars.

Charlie Jones (Miami) - Jones was the second half of the Dade County tailback tandem who signed with the Miami Hurricanes in 2004. Unlike Bobby Washington, however, Jones cleared admissions at The U. After a year on special teams, Charlie has emerged somewhat as a sophomore, having rushed for 457 yards (4.0 average) and 5 touchdowns as the back-up to Tyrone Moss. Despite the lofty high school ranking, Jones isn't in the same league as Antonio Pittman, the back whom the Buckeyes "settled for" after the super blue chippers all chose the "****" programs. And despite being from Florida, Jones doesn't even have Pittman's speed. Update July 2008: Unlike most of the Miami signees on this list, Charlie Jones isn't really a punk, although he did earn a one-game suspension for his participation in the notorious FIU brawl a couple of seasons back. Charlie's problem was simply lack of talent, as evidenced by his three-year career totals for the Hurricanes: 190 carries for 713 yards (3.75 average) and 10 touchdowns. After the 2006 season ended, Jones transferred to Memphis, and he will finish up his college eligibility for the Tigers this fall. Still a little bit of time to improve upon a two star career ... but at least Charlie had sense enough to earn his degree, as he graduated from Memphis in May of 2008 with a bachelor of science in education.

Andrew Johnson (Miami) - Even though the Hurricanes already had commitments from 5-star tailbacks Bobby Washington and Charlie Jones, Andrew Johnson decided to sign with The U. Well, there eventually was some good news for Johnson: When Washington failed to pass admissions, Andrew moved up to fourth-string tailback, where he remains after his sophomore season. But that's not the best part of Johnson's recruiting story. In the summer of 2003, Johnson, who was from Pittsburgh, committed to Pitt. Then, things started to get a little bit weird. In celebration of himself and his upcoming coronation as the savior of the Panther football program, Andrew threw a lavish party at a local restuarant, and as the star of his own show, he arrived attired in a pink suit. Yep, you got it, pink. (If you'd like to see AJ in his pink suit, then click here.) Well, by December, Johnson had determined that Pitt just wasn't great enough for him, so he began looking around. His first stop was Ohio State, but since the Buckeyes weren't in the market for a fourth-string tailback, the staff offered Andrew a chance to play defensive back. "No thanks", said Andrew, "I'll try The U." In the mean time, Johnson began posting on message boards and calling into sports talk shows, running smack against Pitt and Panther fans (and it was some pretty lame smack, if I remember correctly). Well, Andrew showed them in the end: to date, he has already rushed for 138 yards in two full seasons for the 'Canes. Update July 2008: Following his breakthrough season in 2006 (5 rushes, 34 yards), Johnson transferred to the University of Akron, where he will be a senior in 2008 after sitting out the 2007 campaign. Johnson, Dennis Kennedy (see below), and a cast of thousands will battle for the Zips starting tailback position this fall, now that last year's starter, Bryan Williams, has been switched over to strong safety. The definition of a bust: one star. By the way, does anyone really feel sorry for this kid?