Al Golden - What Went Wrong?

Yall keep giving this excuse for Golden. He did not win the coastal out right. Mark Richt did. 7-1 in the ACC versus 5-3. You also skipped over our first bowl win since 2006.
Excuse for golden? No. Golden was a disaster, there’s no excuse for him.

I’m saying that richt was also bad, and pointing out reasons why he’s as bad Al.

Figuring out whose better is Like deciding which side of the **** tastes better.
 
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Golden did a lot of things right. He pushed for the facility upgrades that Shannon and Co. had disregarded(Golden understood and saw that Miami was woefully behind in the arms race and teamed with Eichorst/Hocutt to start that process). He built upon the Shannon era academic successes and kept Miami in the race for some at risk kids. Golden was also the first coach in over a decade to start rebuilding relationships with local schools. Miami started to turn the corner in regards to advertising and the like with Golden, he understood and encouraged new thinking around the program in regards to marketing.

That said, Golden failed because he was loyal to garbage. When you look at Golden's first staff, you saw some guys with legit ability. Fisch was a legit OC, McDonald was a solid WR coach. Once those guys moved on, it became obvious that Golden didn't really have a plan. Coley was a disaster as an OC, and D'Onofrio was by far the worst DC this school has ever seen. Don't get me started on Jethro Franklin. Had Golden been ruthless and willing to hold his staff to the same standard that he held his players, he would still be here, and probably winning championships. Remember, Miami won 8 games the year he was fired, and 19 the next two years combined. Look at how many of those Golden era recruits ended up working out. The dude wasn't some talentless scrub, he had a solid eye for talent. That said, no one could have predicted that Golden would have been willing to put his career on the line for guys that weren't performing. Al was the first time since Jimmy that Miami made an inspired hire of an up and coming coach. Unfortunately, the guy sunk himself by not being tough enough to fire people once they showed that they couldn't do the job. That's the trait that separates the truly good coaches from the pretenders.
 
Golden did a lot of things right. He pushed for the facility upgrades that Shannon and Co. had disregarded(Golden understood and saw that Miami was woefully behind in the arms race and teamed with Eichorst/Hocutt to start that process). He built upon the Shannon era academic successes and kept Miami in the race for some at risk kids. Golden was also the first coach in over a decade to start rebuilding relationships with local schools. Miami started to turn the corner in regards to advertising and the like with Golden, he understood and encouraged new thinking around the program in regards to marketing.

That said, Golden failed because he was loyal to garbage. When you look at Golden's first staff, you saw some guys with legit ability. Fisch was a legit OC, McDonald was a solid WR coach. Once those guys moved on, it became obvious that Golden didn't really have a plan. Coley was a disaster as an OC, and D'Onofrio was by far the worst DC this school has ever seen. Don't get me started on Jethro Franklin. Had Golden been ruthless and willing to hold his staff to the same standard that he held his players, he would still be here, and probably winning championships. Remember, Miami won 8 games the year he was fired, and 19 the next two years combined. Look at how many of those Golden era recruits ended up working out. The dude wasn't some talentless scrub, he had a solid eye for talent. That said, no one could have predicted that Golden would have been willing to put his career on the line for guys that weren't performing. Al was the first time since Jimmy that Miami made an inspired hire of an up and coming coach. Unfortunately, the guy sunk himself by not being tough enough to fire people once they showed that they couldn't do the job. That's the trait that separates the truly good coaches from the pretenders.
Coley was NOT a disaster as an OC. What are you talking about?
 
Coley was NOT a disaster as an OC. What are you talking about?

Let's look at how inefficient Miami was under Coley. Coley was bad, especially when one looks at the talent he had at his disposal. What's frightening is that Mark Richt managed to be even worse. That's probably why most fans look back fondly at his tenure. The only thing that saved him was that the defense was historically bad at the same time.

Here are some stats from the Coley era.

Total Offense: 68th(Final Season), 44th and 48th

Third Down Efficiency: 107th, 92nd, and 96th

Redzone Efficiency: 84th, 87th and 77th

Should I go on?

He was mediocre at best. At worst he was dreadful in the redzone and on third down. It was a joke watching Miami offenses during his tenure, because you knew that if Miami didn't strike on a big play, they weren't going to be able to string a drive together, under any circumstance.
 
Excuse for golden? No. Golden was a disaster, there’s no excuse for him.

I’m saying that richt was also bad, and pointing out reasons why he’s as bad Al.

Figuring out whose better is Like deciding which side of the **** tastes better.

He is clearly better than Golden.

10win season, bowl win, won the division, and beat multiple top 25 teams. Golden didnt accomplish ANY "goals" despite having the talent to do so. Richt did more in his first 2 years than Golden did in 5.
 
He is clearly better than Golden.

10win season, bowl win, won the division, and beat multiple top 25 teams. Golden didnt accomplish ANY "goals" despite having the talent to do so. Richt did more in his first 2 years than Golden did in 5.

golden didn't have talent here and had a low scholarships when he came here. he inherited a mess.
 
golden didn't have talent here and had a low scholarships when he came here. he inherited a mess.

How much talent is needed to beat Duke, UVA, Maryland, Cincinnati, and UNC? Stop making excuses for his lack of adaptation. He ain't a bad coach, but he made 1 terrible decision that outlines his tenure and that is not fixing the worst defense in Cane history, and not having the offensive power to overcome it. Meanwhile, Richt had one of the most anemic offenses his first 2 years but made the CORRECT defensive hire that overcame the offense and led the TEAM to accomplish more than it did in 10+ years prior.

Richt's 2017/2018 TEAM's would have beaten ANY of Golden's TEAM's. Despite having most of the same personnel. Cut the cake however you like, would you rather watch a repeat of Goldens 4 1/2 years or Richts 3?
 
How much talent is needed to beat Duke, UVA, Maryland, Cincinnati, and UNC? Stop making excuses for his lack of adaptation. He ain't a bad coach, but he made 1 terrible decision that outlines his tenure and that is not fixing the worst defense in Cane history, and not having the offensive power to overcome it. Meanwhile, Richt had one of the most anemic offenses his first 2 years but made the CORRECT defensive hire that overcame the offense and led the TEAM to accomplish more than it did in 10+ years prior.

Richt's 2017/2018 TEAM's would have beaten ANY of Golden's TEAM's. Despite having most of the same personnel. Cut the cake however you like, would you rather watch a repeat of Goldens 4 1/2 years or Richts 3?
no **** there was way more talent on richts team.

let me see diaz work with those kids golden had. he'd get axed again.
 
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Golden did a lot of things right. He pushed for the facility upgrades that Shannon and Co. had disregarded(Golden understood and saw that Miami was woefully behind in the arms race and teamed with Eichorst/Hocutt to start that process). He built upon the Shannon era academic successes and kept Miami in the race for some at risk kids. Golden was also the first coach in over a decade to start rebuilding relationships with local schools. Miami started to turn the corner in regards to advertising and the like with Golden, he understood and encouraged new thinking around the program in regards to marketing.

That said, Golden failed because he was loyal to garbage. When you look at Golden's first staff, you saw some guys with legit ability. Fisch was a legit OC, McDonald was a solid WR coach. Once those guys moved on, it became obvious that Golden didn't really have a plan. Coley was a disaster as an OC, and D'Onofrio was by far the worst DC this school has ever seen. Don't get me started on Jethro Franklin. Had Golden been ruthless and willing to hold his staff to the same standard that he held his players, he would still be here, and probably winning championships. Remember, Miami won 8 games the year he was fired, and 19 the next two years combined. Look at how many of those Golden era recruits ended up working out. The dude wasn't some talentless scrub, he had a solid eye for talent. That said, no one could have predicted that Golden would have been willing to put his career on the line for guys that weren't performing. Al was the first time since Jimmy that Miami made an inspired hire of an up and coming coach. Unfortunately, the guy sunk himself by not being tough enough to fire people once they showed that they couldn't do the job. That's the trait that separates the truly good coaches from the pretenders.
Did Shannon really not care, or was it more of a factor that Miami at the time was truly unwilling to do anything more than keep spending at early 2000s levels? I’ve always wondered if Shannon was unfairly viewed to some extent given the budget constraints he was under when it came not only to facilities, but coaching staff.
 
no **** there was way more talent on richts team.

let me see diaz work with those kids golden had. he'd get axed again.

Lol..I could only imagine if Diaz had Olsen Pierre, Al-Quad, Anthony Chikillo, Olivier Vernon, Gionni Paul, Denzel Perryman, Sean Spence, Eddie Johnson and Jermaine Grace. He couldn't possibly have our defense ranked inside the top 50 of the league with those players.

Btw, how good was that Houston defense this year with No'D coaching Ed Oliver?
 
He is clearly better than Golden.

10win season, bowl win, won the division, and beat multiple top 25 teams. Golden didnt accomplish ANY "goals" despite having the talent to do so. Richt did more in his first 2 years than Golden did in 5.
3 four game losing streaks in 3 seasons, losses in 2 of 3 bowl games, unable to compete with legit teams, losses to duke, uva, Pitt, and many other teams he out talented, historically bad offenses, recruiting implosion.

Al beat UF and climbed into the top 10 too. Doesn’t mean much when you follow it up with a 4 game losing streak. If Richt had to face an elite FSU team like al did, he wouldn’t have won the coastal either. How would richt have done with all the suspensions Al had to deal with?

Like I said... both coaches proved incompetent garbage in their time at Miami. They were mirror images of eachother, each hot garbage on opposite sides of the ball.

If anything, the fact that richt was the OC of that train wreck puts his stock even lower.
 
This is a great example of Miami fans living in the past! Who the **** cares what went wrong with Golden! He was a stand up loser!
 
3 four game losing streaks in 3 seasons, losses in 2 of 3 bowl games, unable to compete with legit teams, losses to duke, uva, Pitt, and many other teams he out talented, historically bad offenses, recruiting implosion.

Al beat UF and climbed into the top 10 too. Doesn’t mean much when you follow it up with a 4 game losing streak. If Richt had to face an elite FSU team like al did, he wouldn’t have won the coastal either. How would richt have done with all the suspensions Al had to deal with?

Like I said... both coaches proved incompetent garbage in their time at Miami. They were mirror images of eachother, each hot garbage on opposite sides of the ball.

If anything, the fact that richt was the OC of that train wreck puts his stock even lower.

Richt would have been 6-2 in 2017 if he lost to FSU...that means he would have still finished the regular season 9-2 (better than any Al Golden year) and yes, he still would have won the coastal. You can't say they were mirror images when Richt accomplished more than Golden. If you're saying how Golden was in the Top 10 (because I didn't even mention that), Richt had us at #2, which means we were a legit playoff team, AFTER beating 2 top 25 teams in a row. Golden got to #7 from going 7-0 from the easy part of his schedule.
 
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Richt would have been 6-2 in 2017 if he lost to FSU...that means he would have still finished the regular season 9-2 (better than any Al Golden year) and yes, he still would have won the coastal. You can't say they were mirror images when Richt accomplished more than Golden. If you're saying how Golden was in the Top 10 (because I didn't even mention that), Richt had us at #2, which means we were a legit playoff team, AFTER beating 2 top 25 teams in a row. Golden got to #7 from going 7-0 from the easy part of his schedule.

I don't think there is much question Richt accomplished more. He had the program on an upward trajectory not seen in well over a decade. Unfortunately, he sunk himself and ultimately lost the team, by mismanaging the QB position via the nepotistic hire of his son, and giving himself too big of a job.
 
Did Shannon really not care, or was it more of a factor that Miami at the time was truly unwilling to do anything more than keep spending at early 2000s levels? I’ve always wondered if Shannon was unfairly viewed to some extent given the budget constraints he was under when it came not only to facilities, but coaching staff.

The market says Miami gave Shannon a bigger and better opportunity than he should have been given.
 
Richt would have been 6-2 in 2017 if he lost to FSU...that means he would have still finished the regular season 9-2 (better than any Al Golden year) and yes, he still would have won the coastal. You can't say they were mirror images when Richt accomplished more than Golden. If you're saying how Golden was in the Top 10 (because I didn't even mention that), Richt had us at #2, which means we were a legit playoff team, AFTER beating 2 top 25 teams in a row. Golden got to #7 from going 7-0 from the easy part of his schedule.
Like I said... deciding which side of the **** tastes better.
 
Golden did a lot of things right. He pushed for the facility upgrades that Shannon and Co. had disregarded(Golden understood and saw that Miami was woefully behind in the arms race and teamed with Eichorst/Hocutt to start that process). He built upon the Shannon era academic successes and kept Miami in the race for some at risk kids. Golden was also the first coach in over a decade to start rebuilding relationships with local schools. Miami started to turn the corner in regards to advertising and the like with Golden, he understood and encouraged new thinking around the program in regards to marketing.

That said, Golden failed because he was loyal to garbage. When you look at Golden's first staff, you saw some guys with legit ability. Fisch was a legit OC, McDonald was a solid WR coach. Once those guys moved on, it became obvious that Golden didn't really have a plan. Coley was a disaster as an OC, and D'Onofrio was by far the worst DC this school has ever seen. Don't get me started on Jethro Franklin. Had Golden been ruthless and willing to hold his staff to the same standard that he held his players, he would still be here, and probably winning championships. Remember, Miami won 8 games the year he was fired, and 19 the next two years combined. Look at how many of those Golden era recruits ended up working out. The dude wasn't some talentless scrub, he had a solid eye for talent. That said, no one could have predicted that Golden would have been willing to put his career on the line for guys that weren't performing. Al was the first time since Jimmy that Miami made an inspired hire of an up and coming coach. Unfortunately, the guy sunk himself by not being tough enough to fire people once they showed that they couldn't do the job. That's the trait that separates the truly good coaches from the pretenders.
You’re trippin. Wow. Wow.

Golden sucked. That was HIS scheme Dorito ran, btw. Golden was a former DC.

Golden sucked in so many ways. The idea he would have succeeded bigly but but but is absurd. He is today a position corch on a bad nfl team. His DC who so obviously stunk also got fired again. Because he sucked.
 
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