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Im obviously not in the area and cannot confirm this and didn’t see it or read it but was also told local news or a reporter interviewed a witness who said the police interviewed 8 witnesses and the common story is that there’s a radar/speed warning on the side of the road that had the Durango over 80mph about 1/4 mile before the accident (and still speeding up) and he t-boned the Kia.

Ejected/killed 2 kids into a yard. It happens to be their neighbors yard. They were turning onto their street and live 2-3 houses into the that street. Almost home.

I’m no legal expert, especially in car accidents and who is at fault. Technically the Kia pulled out in front of him and would normally be at fault but I assume that goes out the window when speeding like that is another factor that clearly influenced the judgment of that driver.

Also, assuming manslaughter or whatever wouldn’t stick if they were ejected because they weren’t wearing a seat belt.

Always been curious about that before this.
 
JayCane20 said:
Im obviously not in the area and cannot confirm this and didn’t see it or read it but was also told local news or a reporter interviewed a witness who said the police interviewed 8 witnesses and the common story is that there’s a radar/speed warning on the side of the road that had the Durango over 80mph about 1/4 mile before the accident (and still speeding up) and he t-boned the Kia.

Ejected/killed 2 kids into a yard. It happens to be their neighbors yard. They were turning onto their street and live 2-3 houses into the that street. Almost home.

I’m no legal expert, especially in car accidents and who is at fault. Technically the Kia pulled out in front of him and would normally be at fault but I assume that goes out the window when speeding like that is another factor that clearly influenced the judgment of that driver.

Also, assuming manslaughter or whatever wouldn’t stick if they were ejected because they weren’t wearing a seat belt.

Always been curious about that before this.
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How does a 4 year old get ejected? Was he not in car seat strapped in ?!? If not that parent needs jail time rip very sad
 
JayCane20 said:
Im obviously not in the area and cannot confirm this and didn’t see it or read it but was also told local news or a reporter interviewed a witness who said the police interviewed 8 witnesses and the common story is that there’s a radar/speed warning on the side of the road that had the Durango over 80mph about 1/4 mile before the accident (and still speeding up) and he t-boned the Kia.

Ejected/killed 2 kids into a yard. It happens to be their neighbors yard. They were turning onto their street and live 2-3 houses into the that street. Almost home.

I’m no legal expert, especially in car accidents and who is at fault. Technically the Kia pulled out in front of him and would normally be at fault but I assume that goes out the window when speeding like that is another factor that clearly influenced the judgment of that driver.

Also, assuming manslaughter or whatever wouldn’t stick if they were ejected because they weren’t wearing a seat belt.

Always been curious about that before this.
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Over 80 mph on a 40 mph road


While a driver cannot be directly charged with manslaughter for an accident where the other driver wasn't wearing a seatbelt, their negligence could contribute to a manslaughter charge if their driving actions caused the accident and resulted in death. A driver can be found guilty of vehicular manslaughter if they were negligent or reckless, leading to a fatal accident, regardless of whether the other driver was wearing a seatbelt.
 
JayCane20 said:
Im obviously not in the area and cannot confirm this and didn’t see it or read it but was also told local news or a reporter interviewed a witness who said the police interviewed 8 witnesses and the common story is that there’s a radar/speed warning on the side of the road that had the Durango over 80mph about 1/4 mile before the accident (and still speeding up) and he t-boned the Kia.

Ejected/killed 2 kids into a yard. It happens to be their neighbors yard. They were turning onto their street and live 2-3 houses into the that street. Almost home.

I’m no legal expert, especially in car accidents and who is at fault. Technically the Kia pulled out in front of him and would normally be at fault but I assume that goes out the window when speeding like that is another factor that clearly influenced the judgment of that driver.

Also, assuming manslaughter or whatever wouldn’t stick if they were ejected because they weren’t wearing a seat belt.

Always been curious about that before this.
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I handle auto claims. You have to determine proximate cause and consider comparative negligence. You are right about the speed and left turn. Typically, a left turn in front of someone is failure to yield right of way and usually the proximate cause. With excessive speed involved, the proximate cause can flip to the driver speeding. Going 15 over the speed limit is no bueno, but still likely not the cause. Going 40 mph over the speed limit is totally different.
 
RF-4CCane said:
If he was driving the Durango and wearing a seat belt, the damage doesn’t look anything like the Kia Soul.
If it’s a SRT Durango as reported, that has the same 392 (or hellcat) engine as my Jeep. Would weigh almost double what the Kia weighs and provide a lot more protection.

I would hazard to guess anyone in the Kia is gone RIP.
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I can confirm what you’re saying about the vehicles. I can also tell it was a high velocity impact. That doesn’t mean Adarius was speeding, he might’ve not have had time to break depending on what actually happened. Sounds like the entire scene is about a block long as well. This is going to get worse. Not just because everybody involved was a trauma alert but those kids weren’t strapped in correctly.
 
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tr1ck said:
How does a 4 year old get ejected? Was he not in car seat strapped in ?!? If not that parent needs jail time rip very sad
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Assuming not strapped in at all to begin with or had just taken the seatbelt off since they were pulling into their street and 2 houses away from their house.

Read something on twitter that said there were 5 people the soul so it was fully packed in. Probably didn’t have it strapped at all because of that.
 
Tony4Canes said:
If accurate would be Kia driver fault if I read correctly
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well unless Hayes was going significantly over the speed limit like I believe most fear. hope it isn't the case

pray it wasn't his fault, not so he would avoid jail time or anything - but so that young man doesn't carry the guilt of those 2 kids passing the rest of his life
 
GrozDozer said:
absolutely terrible. I try and tell some people around me those Kia’s and Hyundais are ******* death traps. Built outta paper.
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I mean it got hit by a 6,000 pound SUV brother. Unless you’re in a bigger vehicle, there’s going to be significant damage.
 
Zbrod95 said:
I don’t think it was 80. Based on my experience, the Durango would’ve flipped to the left after impact.
I mean it got hit by a 6,000 pound SUV brother. Unless you’re in a bigger vehicle, there’s going to be significant damage.
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Yeah true. I still don’t trust them. And both my vehicles are tanks too. Even my wife’s m SUV is top rated for crash. I got cousins and sisters packing their kids in little Kia’s and Hyundais and it makes me nervous. All they see is the price tag. Meanwhile I’m trying to push 1999-2014 Landcrusiers on everyone like it’s my job.
 
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Before anyone jumps to conclusions, please take a look at the post-accident picture.

First, the stuff about the speed sensor may or may not be correct or exaggerated. That is not a defense of anyone, but unless people are sitting on their porches monitoring a speed sensor, nobody knows if he was accelerating or not. It is far more likely for there to be deceleration there, as a southbound driver would be three blocks north of a major intersection with a light.

Second, that is a six-lane divided road there. Yes, it is a residential area. Yes, the speed limit is 40. On the other hand, there was plenty of room in the middle of the road to wait to turn. It does not appear to be inherently dangerous there, it does not look like the sight lines are impaired by trees or anything. This is a pure guess, but if someone thought it was safe to turn, they may have been judging the speed of a car in the innermost lane and may not have taken note of whether there was a faster car in the outermost lane. Again, that doesn’t justify speeding, but anyone should be careful trying to make a non-light-assisted left turn on a 6-lane road.

Finally, I do not yet buy into the estimates of speed or the guesstimates on seatbelts. The Durango came to a stop less than a yard-and-a-half after the collision (a house’s yard, not a 36 inch yard). The crumpling on the hood is bad but not catastrophic. And the Kia was hit broadside, so “ejection” is more common in a side collision, as car seats and seatbelts are more designed for head-on collisions. Unless you have a NASCAR-type seat constraint, it would be much easier for SMALLER body types to be ejected out of the side of the car in a T-bone collision. And do not misconstrue the skid marks. That is tire rub that comes from the driver side front tire (and the engine crumpling) as it tracks from the inside part of the rightmost lane (where the collision started) to the inside edge of the leftmost lane (where the Durango came to rest).

We will know more when the Durango’s onboard data comes back, but based on the engine crumpling, the final location of the two cars, and the relatively short post-collision skid marks, I would be surprised if the speed was as high as some have guesstimated.

It’s still a horrible situation and I pray for all involved. Clearly some people are grieving and it is very common to point a finger at “speeding”, particularly if they feel that people routinely speed on that road. I don’t know if excessive speed is the primary issue to blame, so let’s all keep an open mind until we have reliable evidence.
 
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