ACC to relocate *some Championship games from North Carolina

[CaneInHeelCountry]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Bigotry is bigotry. Good on the NCAA & the ACC for standing up for those who are being actively discriminated against.

God forbid organizations boycott backward governmental actions in the manner they see fit.

lol @ it being bigotry. "Yes you can discriminate based on *** as it concerns the bathroom. But you must first ask how they feel on the inside." Honestly, that's about as dumb an idea as I've ever heard.

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

As to your overall argument about this being a matter of the government protecting women in a vulnerable space from the evils of men...well, that's certainly how the NC republican legislators are spinning it. But there's no evidence upon which to base this. In fact, all evidence points to the fact that allowing trans folks to choose their own restroom will not have some devastating effect to the moral order of men, and will not put women in danger. There are, I think, something like 12 states and 200 cities with laws or ordinances that allow trans folks that choice. Some of those laws/ordinances have been in place for over a decade. None of those states/cities has seen a spike of straight dudes posing as trans to gain access to women's rooms to molest women.

 

[Chuckles]

Waits for the fake outrage post from our redneck posters. I mean god fearing posters

Nice cheap shop. You sound just like the stereotype you demean.

 

[Chuckles]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Bigotry is bigotry. Good on the NCAA & the ACC for standing up for those who are being actively discriminated against.

God forbid organizations boycott backward governmental actions in the manner they see fit.

lol @ it being bigotry. "Yes you can discriminate based on *** as it concerns the bathroom. But you must first ask how they feel on the inside." Honestly, that's about as dumb an idea as I've ever heard.

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

As to your overall argument about this being a matter of the government protecting women in a vulnerable space from the evils of men...well, that's certainly how the NC republican legislators are spinning it. But there's no evidence upon which to base this. In fact, all evidence points to the fact that allowing trans folks to choose their own restroom will not have some devastating effect to the moral order of men, and will not put women in danger (NO IT DOES NOT!). There are, I think, something like 12 states and 200 cities with laws or ordinances that allow trans folks that choice. Some of those laws/ordinances have been in place for over a decade. None of those states/cities has seen a spike of straight dudes posing as trans to gain access to women's rooms to molest women.

Go to your safe place skippi! The first time I see a man following a woman into a women's rest room he better be shyting his drawers and the men's room is unavailable. If he is not and is following my daughter the result will not be politically correct.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Bigotry is bigotry. Good on the NCAA & the ACC for standing up for those who are being actively discriminated against.

God forbid organizations boycott backward governmental actions in the manner they see fit.

lol @ it being bigotry. "Yes you can discriminate based on *** as it concerns the bathroom. But you must first ask how they feel on the inside." Honestly, that's about as dumb an idea as I've ever heard.

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

As to your overall argument about this being a matter of the government protecting women in a vulnerable space from the evils of men...well, that's certainly how the NC republican legislators are spinning it. But there's no evidence upon which to base this. In fact, all evidence points to the fact that allowing trans folks to choose their own restroom will not have some devastating effect to the moral order of men, and will not put women in danger (NO IT DOES NOT!). There are, I think, something like 12 states and 200 cities with laws or ordinances that allow trans folks that choice. Some of those laws/ordinances have been in place for over a decade. None of those states/cities has seen a spike of straight dudes posing as trans to gain access to women's rooms to molest women.

Go to your safe place skippi! The first time I see a man following a woman into a women's rest room he better be shyting his drawers and the men's room is unavailable. If he is not and is following my daughter the result will not be politically correct.

Good to see you missed the whole freaking point, chuckles. Check out the bold and underlined portion.

 

[Billy D Williams]

I don't get or recognize the transgender thing, but you also can't target legislation. They would have been smart to leave it as it was Men and Womens restrooms. If you fall into one of those two categories then you an alien from another planet.

 

[mossmadness]

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

As to your overall argument about this being a matter of the government protecting women in a vulnerable space from the evils of men...well, that's certainly how the NC republican legislators are spinning it. But there's no evidence upon which to base this. In fact, all evidence points to the fact that allowing trans folks to choose their own restroom will not have some devastating effect to the moral order of men, and will not put women in danger. There are, I think, something like 12 states and 200 cities with laws or ordinances that allow trans folks that choice. Some of those laws/ordinances have been in place for over a decade. None of those states/cities has seen a spike of straight dudes posing as trans to gain access to women's rooms to molest women.

1. Who cares? That's not what the NCAA is pulling out of North Carolina over. This is about the bathroom/locker room policy. If you want to argue there are even worse things that the public should be going ape over, that's fine. But that isn't what the fight is over. And everybody knows that.

2. As to your second paragraph, once again, who cares? At best your saying the harm the state and people are scared of, isn't going to happen. And that's okay. If we got rid of government laws based on them actually not curing some imagined problem, we would get rid of 99.999999% of government laws. But the point still stands. This has absolutely nothing to do with "bigotry." At least transgender bigotry. There is a legit fear, that has existed since the dawn of mankind, about what men will do to women. And so bathroom policy has always been to isolate the sexes. Hence why we have one door with a Man on it, and another door with a Female on it. The North Carolina law doesn't exist to hate on transgender people. It exists to protect what has always been seen, and still is seen, as a legit government interest.

 

[Chuckles]

Bigotry is bigotry. Good on the NCAA & the ACC for standing up for those who are being actively discriminated against.

God forbid organizations boycott backward governmental actions in the manner they see fit.

lol @ it being bigotry. "Yes you can discriminate based on *** as it concerns the bathroom. But you must first ask how they feel on the inside." Honestly, that's about as dumb an idea as I've ever heard.

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

As to your overall argument about this being a matter of the government protecting women in a vulnerable space from the evils of men...well, that's certainly how the NC republican legislators are spinning it. But there's no evidence upon which to base this. In fact, all evidence points to the fact that allowing trans folks to choose their own restroom will not have some devastating effect to the moral order of men, and will not put women in danger (NO IT DOES NOT!). There are, I think, something like 12 states and 200 cities with laws or ordinances that allow trans folks that choice. Some of those laws/ordinances have been in place for over a decade. None of those states/cities has seen a spike of straight dudes posing as trans to gain access to women's rooms to molest women.

Go to your safe place skippi! The first time I see a man following a woman into a women's rest room he better be shyting his drawers and the men's room is unavailable. If he is not and is following my daughter the result will not be politically correct.

Good to see you missed the whole freaking point, chuckles. Check out the bold and underlined portion.

Wrong, it's happened more than once and once it's too many if it's your mother, your wife, your daughter, your girlfriend or any female. You need to check your stats. And take your social engineering advocacy crap elsewhere a football board is not for that.

 

[mossmadness]

I don't get or recognize the transgender thing, but you also can't target legislation. They would have been smart to leave it as it was Men and Womens restrooms. If you fall into one of those two categories then you an alien from another planet.

Of course you can. Have you ever walked into a government building and saw a door with a stick figure in a dress that said "Women," and a door with a plain stick figure that says "Men"? That's targeted regulation. You can discriminate as long as their is a legit government interest for the discrimination.

 

[mossmadness]

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

Your also confused here. There are two ways to take down a government policy. One is through the legislative arena. Which is what the local Charlotte ordinance tried to do. Pass a law enshrining something. The other is through the judicial arena. You see this with gun cases. Liberals can't get the gun laws they want passed, so they tried to sue based on civil tort claims. Congress was forced to pass a law preventing many of these crazy claims, because had they won, it would have made gun ownership almost impossible. It's a backdoor way to change things. If you truly want to protect something, often times you enshrine it (Congress shall make no law blah blah blah), and then you cap remedies in civil suits (Most show actual malice if you want to sue as a public figure or public interests for defamation). That is what North Carolina did. It's not crazy. We literally do it every day in this country.

 

[conncane]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Huh? Look at the polls, haven't seen one where more than 35% of the residents approve. It's highly unpopular in NC.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

The bathroom stuff is only a portion of the bill--the rest of it basically disallows trans folks from being included in non-discrimination policies, and disallows all people from bringing discrimination lawsuits at the state level. So yeah, it's pretty safe to say that the bill is rooted in bigotry.

As to your overall argument about this being a matter of the government protecting women in a vulnerable space from the evils of men...well, that's certainly how the NC republican legislators are spinning it. But there's no evidence upon which to base this. In fact, all evidence points to the fact that allowing trans folks to choose their own restroom will not have some devastating effect to the moral order of men, and will not put women in danger. There are, I think, something like 12 states and 200 cities with laws or ordinances that allow trans folks that choice. Some of those laws/ordinances have been in place for over a decade. None of those states/cities has seen a spike of straight dudes posing as trans to gain access to women's rooms to molest women.

1. Who cares? That's not what the NCAA is pulling out of North Carolina over. This is about the bathroom/locker room policy. If you want to argue there are even worse things that the public should be going ape over, that's fine. But that isn't what the fight is over. And everybody knows that.

2. As to your second paragraph, once again, who cares? At best your saying the harm the state and people are scared of, isn't going to happen. And that's okay. If we got rid of government laws based on them actually not curing some imagined problem, we would get rid of 99.999999% of government laws. But the point still stands. This has absolutely nothing to do with "bigotry." At least transgender bigotry. There is a legit fear, that has existed since the dawn of mankind, about what men will do to women. And so bathroom policy has always been to isolate the sexes. Hence why we have one door with a Man on it, and another door with a Female on it. The North Carolina law doesn't exist to hate on transgender people. It exists to protect what has always been seen, and still is seen, as a legit government interest.

1) Actually, you're flat-*** wrong. Here's a link to the NCAA's statement:

"The board stressed that the dynamic in North Carolina is different from that of other states because of at least four specific factors:

--North Carolina laws invalidate any local law that treats sexual orientation as a protected class or has a purpose to prevent discrimination against *******, ***, bisexual or transgender individuals.
--North Carolina has the only statewide law that makes it unlawful to use a restroom different from the gender on one’s birth certificate, regardless of gender identity.
--North Carolina law provides legal protections for government officials to refuse services to the LGBT community.
--Five states plus numerous cities prohibit travel to North Carolina for public employees and representatives of public institutions, which could include student-athletes and campus athletics staff. These states are New York, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and Connecticut."

Fact is that the NBA and the NCAA and all the other businesses that have boycotted against this bill aren't doing it just because of the bathroom provision. The NC legislature is just trying to spin it that way, to cover up for the fact that this is a deeply flawed and bigoted piece of legislation.

2. Given that A) There is no way to enforce the legislation, and B) there is no evidence that the legislation will enhance the safety of women or prohibit crimes against women, then the legislation is unnecessary. The fear that something COULD happen is not a good reason to make a law which restricts the rights of a population of people.

The republicans in NC have done a masterful job of marketing this bill as a safety measure. They've wholly manufactured a fear where there was none. They've continually glossed over the more egregious aspects of removing the rights and protections of trans folks, and have deftly made it seem like anyone who dares boycott the state is just doing so because of PC peer pressure.

That's kinda the textbook definition of bigotry.

 

[mossmadness]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Huh? Look at the polls, haven't seen one where more than 35% of the residents approve. It's highly unpopular in NC.

Well that's not true. I think it's a slight majority favor the bathroom bill, although not putting transgender on the protected class part (further cementing how this has nothing to do with bigotry).

 

[mossmadness]

1) Actually, you're flat-*** wrong. Here's a link to the NCAA's statement:

"The board stressed that the dynamic in North Carolina is different from that of other states because of at least four specific factors:

--North Carolina laws invalidate any local law that treats sexual orientation as a protected class or has a purpose to prevent discrimination against *******, ***, bisexual or transgender individuals.
--North Carolina has the only statewide law that makes it unlawful to use a restroom different from the gender on one’s birth certificate, regardless of gender identity.
--North Carolina law provides legal protections for government officials to refuse services to the LGBT community.
--Five states plus numerous cities prohibit travel to North Carolina for public employees and representatives of public institutions, which could include student-athletes and campus athletics staff. These states are New York, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and Connecticut."

Fact is that the NBA and the NCAA and all the other businesses that have boycotted against this bill aren't doing it just because of the bathroom provision. The NC legislature is just trying to spin it that way, to cover up for the fact that this is a deeply flawed and bigoted piece of legislation.

2. Given that A) There is no way to enforce the legislation, and B) there is no evidence that the legislation will enhance the safety of women or prohibit crimes against women, then the legislation is unnecessary. The fear that something COULD happen is not a good reason to make a law which restricts the rights of a population of people.

The republicans in NC have done a masterful job of marketing this bill as a safety measure. They've wholly manufactured a fear where there was none. They've continually glossed over the more egregious aspects of removing the rights and protections of trans folks, and have deftly made it seem like anyone who dares boycott the state is just doing so because of PC peer pressure.

That's kinda the textbook definition of bigotry.

1. Once again, who cares. Nobody cares about the non-bathroom part. The entire nation is fighting over the bathroom part.

2. Of course there are ways to enforce the legislation. Walk into your local court house and go into the woman's room. I promise you a man with a gun will be waiting to enforce it against you. And your argument is odd in light of *** based discrimination and the bathroom. Is there evidence that unisex bathrooms cause an increase in crime or uncomfortable feelings by women? I don't know. I'm sure the latter part is true, but maybe not the former. Is there really any way to guarantee that a man at a rest stop on I-95 won't go into the woman's room today? Probably not. But does the government still have an interest in dividing the two rooms? Absolutely. Nobody is arguing otherwise. Your argument, if taken to its logical conclusion, would mean that all non-unisex bathrooms should be done away with. Because there is no evidence that a harm will be created if you don't, and you can't stop men from going into the woman's room. It's just silly.
And no. The Republicans did not manufacture this fear. We have ALWAYS separated bathrooms by ***. Because the fear of what men will do, and the uncomfortable feelings that women will have, has ALWAYS existed. It's like you've never been out in public before and seen public restrooms. The North Carolina bathroom policy is a continuation of the policy we have always had, which is, "Penises go this way, Vaginas go that way." It's amazing you think that policy is new.

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

I don't have a dog in this fight and really could care less who uses which bathroom. As I see it, States have every right to draft laws that may or may not weave their way through the courts to be eventually struck down - and organizations have the right to pick and choose where they host their events & spend money.

The hands down funniest part about all this is that Tobacco Road is losing their basketball events.
So, in the oddest way imaginable - I really really like his law.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

1) Actually, you're flat-*** wrong. Here's a link to the NCAA's statement:

"The board stressed that the dynamic in North Carolina is different from that of other states because of at least four specific factors:

--North Carolina laws invalidate any local law that treats sexual orientation as a protected class or has a purpose to prevent discrimination against *******, ***, bisexual or transgender individuals.
--North Carolina has the only statewide law that makes it unlawful to use a restroom different from the gender on one’s birth certificate, regardless of gender identity.
--North Carolina law provides legal protections for government officials to refuse services to the LGBT community.
--Five states plus numerous cities prohibit travel to North Carolina for public employees and representatives of public institutions, which could include student-athletes and campus athletics staff. These states are New York, Minnesota, Washington, Vermont and Connecticut."

Fact is that the NBA and the NCAA and all the other businesses that have boycotted against this bill aren't doing it just because of the bathroom provision. The NC legislature is just trying to spin it that way, to cover up for the fact that this is a deeply flawed and bigoted piece of legislation.

2. Given that A) There is no way to enforce the legislation, and B) there is no evidence that the legislation will enhance the safety of women or prohibit crimes against women, then the legislation is unnecessary. The fear that something COULD happen is not a good reason to make a law which restricts the rights of a population of people.

The republicans in NC have done a masterful job of marketing this bill as a safety measure. They've wholly manufactured a fear where there was none. They've continually glossed over the more egregious aspects of removing the rights and protections of trans folks, and have deftly made it seem like anyone who dares boycott the state is just doing so because of PC peer pressure.

That's kinda the textbook definition of bigotry.

1. Once again, who cares. Nobody cares about the non-bathroom part. The entire nation is fighting over the bathroom part.

2. Of course there are ways to enforce the legislation. Walk into your local court house and go into the woman's room. I promise you a man with a gun will be waiting to enforce it against you. And your argument is odd in light of *** based discrimination and the bathroom. Is there evidence that unisex bathrooms cause an increase in crime or uncomfortable feelings against women? I don't know. I'm sure the latter part is true, but maybe not the former. Is there really any way to guarantee that a man at a rest stop on I-95 won't go into the woman's room today? Probably not. But does the government still have an interest in diving the two rooms? Absolutely. Nobody is arguing otherwise. Your argument, if taken to its logical conclusion, would mean that all non-unisex bathrooms should be done away with. Because there is no evidence that a harm will be created if you don't, and you can't stop men from going into the woman's room. It's just silly.
And no. The Republicans did not manufacture this fear. We have ALWAYS separated bathrooms by ***. Because the fear of what men will do, and the uncomfortable feelings that women will have, has ALWAYS existed. It's like you've never been out in public before and seen public restrooms. The North Carolina bathroom policy is a continuation of the policy we have always had, which is, "Penises go this way, Vaginas go that way." It's amazing you think that policy is new.

Seems like you're just typing to make yourself feel better. You're not saying a thing that makes any **** sense.

1. You claimed "That's not what the NCAA is pulling out of North Carolina over", in regard to the non-bathroom part. The NCAA has released a statement that clearly shows you're wrong. Other businesses have made similar public statements against the legislation. Just admit you were wrong and move along...don't pull this "so what" bs.

2. Whatever you're rambling on about has nothing to do with the legislation in question, so it's not worth my time to parse. Bottom line is that the entirety of the bill, including the bathroom part, is indeed rooted in bigotry. It isn't about safety. Stop kidding yourself.

 

[mossmadness]

Seems like you're just typing to make yourself feel better. You're not saying a thing that makes any **** sense.

1. You claimed "That's not what the NCAA is pulling out of North Carolina over", in regard to the non-bathroom part. The NCAA has released a statement that clearly shows you're wrong. Just admit you were wrong and move along...don't pull this "so what" bs.

2. Whatever you're rambling on about has nothing to do with the legislation, so it's not worth my time to parse. Bottom line is that the entirety of the bill, including the bathroom part, is indeed rooted in bigotry. It isn't about safety. Stop kidding yourself.

1. This is all about the bathroom. That is all the public cares about. That's what the NCAA stand is over. If you want to say it's about the rest and blah blah blah, go for it. Whatever. You're right, I'm wrong.

2. This has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry. We separate bathrooms by ***. We have for decades and decades and decades and decades. Nobody has ever argued that is "bigotry." And nobody has ever argued the government doesn't have an interest in doing that. It doens't matter whether it would or wouldn't result in increased crime or psychologically impact women in a negative way. Doesn't matter that it's difficult to stop somebody from going into a restroom they aren't legally allowed to go into. All that might be true. But society has always said the government still has an interest in doing it, and that interest has nothing to do with bigotry. It's grounded in a real fear (whether people should be really afraid or not).
You are now saying that North Carolina passing a law that continues that bathroom policy we have had for decades and decades and decades and decades, where P's and V's must go into different bathrooms, is now "bigotry." Although nobody is challenging the government interest in separating the P's and V's. It's actually comical. What progressives and saying is, "The government is allowed to continue this policy of not letting penises go into the same locker room as vaginas. That's perfectly fine because the government has a legit, non-bigoted interest in separating the two. BUT the government must make sure the ***** is attached to someone that truly believes they are a man. If they believe they are a woman, if they believe they are both, if they believe they are neither, THEN the government's policy of separating penises and vaginas into different bathrooms becomes bigoted." There really is zero logic to it.

 

[cflacane2]

Can somebody post a list of all the things old white republicans are scared of and want to legislate against?

United States history of slavery (see texas education system)
United states history of genocide (see texas education system)
The Devil
Religions that have people of color (mormons and scientology get a pass)
Nudity
Same *** bathrooms
Pornography
Equal access to voting
Mentioning the words gun and regulation in the same sentence.
Womens health (abortion, contraception etc.)
EPA
Global Warming
Clean Air
Clean Energy

 

[conncane]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Huh? Look at the polls, haven't seen one where more than 35% of the residents approve. It's highly unpopular in NC.

Well that's not true. I think it's a slight majority favor the bathroom bill, although not putting transgender on the protected class part (further cementing how this has nothing to do with bigotry).

Actually it is true. Almost every poll has shown approval in the 30s.

HB2 Continues To Have Little Support From North Carolinians - Public Policy Polling
WRAL News poll: NC voters conflicted over HB2 :: WRAL.com

 

[TheEye]

They should have given more notice. The Citrus Bowl is already booked for the days they need.

 

[mossmadness]

What a joke. God forbid a state legislature passes a law more than 90 percent of its residents approve.

Huh? Look at the polls, haven't seen one where more than 35% of the residents approve. It's highly unpopular in NC.

Well that's not true. I think it's a slight majority favor the bathroom bill, although not putting transgender on the protected class part (further cementing how this has nothing to do with bigotry).

Actually it is true. Almost every poll has shown approval in the 30s.

HB2 Continues To Have Little Support From North Carolinians - Public Policy Polling
WRAL News poll: NC voters conflicted over HB2 :: WRAL.com

You should go back and read what I wrote, and then actually read your links. I said a slight majority favor the bathroom portion of the bill, but not putting transgender people on the protected class. That goes all the way back to the very first poll ever done in North Carolina on the bill:

Poll: 51 percent support legislature overturning Charlotte bathroom provision | The Charlotte Observer

Your links state the exact same thing.

"On the bathroom provision, 56 percent said they somewhat agree or strongly agree that transgender people should use the bathroom that matches the gender listed on their birth certificates, not one that aligns with their gender identity."

The majority of people in North Carolina, as I said, agree with the bathroom regulation part of the bill. The majority of North Carolina, as i said, disagree with the exempt classification part of the bill.