ACC generated record revenue-Paid ND full share in 2021

[OriginalGatorHater]

Notre Dame ain't joining the ACC for all sports. Not tomorrow, not next month, not next year, not ever. ND's athletic director laid out the future a couple weeks ago.

"We're getting to a two solar system model here," Jack Swarbrick said. "You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”

The media rights deals for the SEC and the Big Ten are going to dwarf what the ACC, Pac-12 and Big 12 receive -- like $40M or more per year. Game-changing money that will widen the gap between those schools receiving it and those that are not.

Sooner or later, the ACC as we've known it is going to unravel.

If you have the option to join the b1g or the SEC, you would have to be braindead to pick the ACC over them.

 

[CaneinBroward]

I suspect the B1G to forego divisions fairly soon; they didn’t go to divisions until 2011.

The ACC went to divisions once they expanded to include Big East teams.

The PAC-12 didn’t include divisions until 2011 when they expanded.

However, they all followed the SEC Model. The SEC have been using divisions since 1992. I know w/ the expansion to 16 in the next coming yrs, the talks have included to scrap that tradition. The B12 is now considering divisions once they expand to 14 teams before UT & OU leave, & talks r they’ll keep divisions when UT & OU leave.

In the PAC-12 & ACC especially, it makes sense for to scrap divisions b/c frequently we’ll see the best teams play in the same division, but only the division winner move on. How often have we seen The Coastal send up a sacrificial lamb for the Atlantic since 2004? Since SC has been down most of this time since 2011, how often have The South been a sacrificial lamb for The North?

Agreed, that's why I think even the SEC is going to get rid of divisions as well. They had the same issues as far as the SEC West being so much better than the SEC East up until the last 3 years or so with the ascension of Georgia. Like everything these things ebb and flow over time, the SEC East was the better division in the mid to late 90's with Florida and Tennessee being the cream of the crop.

No divisions allows your 2 best teams to play in the conference championship and allows conference members to play each other much more often. The only downside I see is the strength of schedules can vary quite a bit based on who your mandatory rivals are and who you happen to play that particular year from the rest of the conference.

 

[CaneinBroward]

Notre Dame ain't joining the ACC for all sports. Not tomorrow, not next month, not next year, not ever. ND's athletic director laid out the future a couple weeks ago.

"We're getting to a two solar system model here," Jack Swarbrick said. "You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”

The media rights deals for the SEC and the Big Ten are going to dwarf what the ACC, Pac-12 and Big 12 receive -- like $40M or more per year. Game-changing money that will widen the gap between those schools receiving it and those that are not.

Sooner or later, the ACC as we've known it is going to unravel.

That ND article is pretty interesting. Swarbrick's prediction is there will be 2 different business methods coming - the Big Ten version where the academic institution maintains control over the athletic department and the SEC model where a separate corporate entity is created to run the athletic department for the university - so there is no institutional oversight really in those circumstances.

If he is right, it will be interesting to see how things shake out. Will the SEC model programs lose out on all federal and state benefits because they would basically be private businesses and possibly even for-profit entities? Would that also alleviate those programs from having to be Title IX compliant as well?

I hate to say it, but if this does come to pass, it will really ruin college football as we know it.

 

[Shogungts]

Agreed, that's why I think even the SEC is going to get rid of divisions as well. They had the same issues as far as the SEC West being so much better than the SEC East up until the last 3 years or so with the ascension of Georgia. Like everything these things ebb and flow over time, the SEC East was the better division in the mid to late 90's with Florida and Tennessee being the cream of the crop.

No divisions allows your 2 best teams to play in the conference championship and allows conference members to play each other much more often. The only downside I see is the strength of schedules can vary quite a bit based on who your mandatory rivals are and who you happen to play that particular year from the rest of the conference.

Yeah, they were looking at getting rid of the divisions anyway since with UT and OU coming, they would be up to 8 in each. The question is whether they do something like the ACC looks like it will or if they do pods.

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

That payout compared to the Big12 and SEC is a nightmare. That ACC TV deal was so bad.

Convincing ND to join would likely double that amount for ACC teams.

Still no idea why people think this. Current ND tv deal is worth $15m a year. How does that translate to double, or substantially more revenue if they join the acc? Their incremental value to the acc can be determined pretty easily and it’s nothing special…

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Notre Dame ain't joining the ACC for all sports. Not tomorrow, not next month, not next year, not ever. ND's athletic director laid out the future a couple weeks ago.

"We're getting to a two solar system model here," Jack Swarbrick said. "You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”

The media rights deals for the SEC and the Big Ten are going to dwarf what the ACC, Pac-12 and Big 12 receive -- like $40M or more per year. Game-changing money that will widen the gap between those schools receiving it and those that are not.

Sooner or later, the ACC as we've known it is going to unravel.

But we have “the alliance”. It was groundbreaking and tilted the power in our favor…wait, never mind

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Still no idea why people think this. Current ND tv deal is worth $15m a year. How does that translate to double, or substantially more revenue if they join the acc? Their incremental value to the acc can be determined pretty easily and it’s nothing special…

Because the addition of Notre Dame will allow the ACC to "reopen" the TV contracts and renegotiate them.

It is not simply "additive". It is not a question of "let's add ND's NBC money to the ACC money and then divide by a slightly larger number of teams".

Adding ND will allow BOTH the ACC and ND to get out of below-market and/or unproductive contracts. ND's NBC deal, regardless of dollars, is GARBAGE. NBC does not have any other college football content. NBC no longer has a cable network where they can create synergy for ND the way that ESPN does for other conferences.

It's not "incremental value". It never has been. Go back and look, when the SEC added Texas and OU, it allowed them to go back out and reset the market. Same with the Big 10 adding Rutgers and Maryland (Rutgers and Maryland?). Same with the Big 12 adding teams.

 

[PredaCane]

WHY for the love of all things pig skin does almost everybody kiss their a$$e$?! They shouldn't have gotten a plug nickel. ACC administration needs to grow a pair and stop letting these pedos pimp the league.

 

[CaneinBroward]

Because the addition of Notre Dame will allow the ACC to "reopen" the TV contracts and renegotiate them.

It is not simply "additive". It is not a question of "let's add ND's NBC money to the ACC money and then divide by a slightly larger number of teams".

Adding ND will allow BOTH the ACC and ND to get out of below-market and/or unproductive contracts. ND's NBC deal, regardless of dollars, is GARBAGE. NBC does not have any other college football content. NBC no longer has a cable network where they can create synergy for ND the way that ESPN does for other conferences.

It's not "incremental value". It never has been. Go back and look, when the SEC added Texas and OU, it allowed them to go back out and reset the market. Same with the Big 10 adding Rutgers and Maryland (Rutgers and Maryland?). Same with the Big 12 adding teams.

Exactly and the other thing to keep in mind with only one team on its contract, ND gets a substantially lower amount for its TV deal because you can't guarantee winning. Yes, ND has been a top 10 team for the past 8 years or so for the most part, but who knows what the future holds now that Kelly left for LSU. Geez, they have Al Golden as their DC!!

NBC has been getting great ratings during the Kelly years, but if they should return to the days of Willingham and Weis, not so much. There is less risk of that with a conference as you can hedge a bad season by one prime team with a good season by another.

 

[Hold My Beer]

But we have “the alliance”. It was groundbreaking and tilted the power in our favor…wait, never mind

Exactly ... The alliance was a made up nothing burger from Day One.

Neither the B1G nor the $EC is in the business of making sure other conferences keep up