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Academic question for those who've coached/played before

CaneSince4Ever said:
Timcanes said:
For example Jacory had so many ups and downs. Fisch was able to hide his biggest deficiencies very well. But as we all know at times the typical Jacory would come out here and there.
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Jacory's problem was post-snap reads. I remember listening to a Randy Shannon interview, this was after Jacory suffered that concussion at UVA. Shannon said they were at practice, and Morris threw an INT down the middle of the field, to which Jacory said, "Why did He do that?", and Shannon replied, "You do the same $h!t." That right there told me they either weren't teaching Him PSRs, or they weren't emphasizing it, I think it was more of the former.

Also, Jacory had small hands, lotta folks don't realize that hand size effects balance, didn't help that He had that lingering thumb injury.
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Pre snap reads – mostly deal with over coverage – post snap reads usually attack under coverage. You cannot play even high school QB if you don’t have post snap progressions. They would be the most incompetent QB coaches in the history of the game if they were not teaching post snap progressions. Not even those coaches were that bad.
 
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Depending on Scheme, on defense it is LB followed by Safety

On Offense, scheme as well, QB followed by o-line.
 
JaxonCane said:
Pre snap reads – mostly deal with over coverage – post snap reads usually attack under coverage. You cannot play even high school QB if you don’t have post snap progressions. They would be the most incompetent QB coaches in the history of the game if they were not teaching post snap progressions. Not even those coaches were that bad.
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The way Shannon said it, it sounded like they really didn't emphasize post-snap reads. Also, go back and watch the Sun Bowl against ND, watch how many times Jacory threw the ball INTO ND's rotational coverage. And that play Jacory got a concussion on...an INT right down the middle of the field.
 
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Offensive line. You can scheme around a QB who isn't particularly good, you can't do much with a deficient offensive line unless your running a Navy/Georgia Southern type offense.
 
Because im a LB, i would say that would be the easiest to teach. DB would be the hardest. Safety to be specific. Horrible safeties, and your defense has no chance.
 
Timcanes said:
I coached at Monmouth University on the offensive side. I would say WR is easiest to coach on offense and Oline is hardest on offense. Wr's is easiest because you are pretty much doing the same type of drills every practice. Route running, hand eye coordination drills, and blocking. You teach blocking techniques here and there but it's not rocket science. Running back is harder because blitz pick up is a lot more demanding and can attack you different ways. Teaching proper footwork, vision, and blitz pickup make it more difficult IMO. On top of that in most offenses these days RB's are a big part of route running too.

O-line is toughest in my opinion because you need to get all 5 guys to work in unison (including backups and rotational guys). There are so many different calls that need to be made, technique is more difficult to teach/learn, teaching how to use proper leverage and weight distribution, and in Miami's terrible offense they made them all learn at least 3 positions it seemed.

I am pretty much excluding QB, because we know that is a whole different ball game. But I must say QB is the clear position to me where the QB either has "it" or they don't. You can hide deficiencies and play to there strengths, but a good defense will continue to bring those flaws out at some point. For example Jacory had so many ups and downs. Fisch was able to hide his biggest deficiencies very well. But as we all know at times the typical Jacory would come out here and there.
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Great post. Do you have any other interesting thoughts on anything?(not sarcastic)
 
I mean give me a subject you would like some insight on and Ill do my best to give you some insight...? From a recruiting standpoint, hardest position to project is DT and OT. Kids look like straight savages in high school but more often than not it is because they are going again 230 lbs offensive or defensive linemen. For example Gall's highlight film looked awesome... But look what he's done since hes been at Miami and going against people with legit size. Chad Thomas looked absolutely unstoppable in high school (not saying hes a bust because I think in a real defense he will break out), but look what hes done here. He even admitted in a recent interview that he feels he needs to add weight to handle the offensive linemen in college. I know he went against top teams in sofla but how many of those top teams had legit offensive linemen???

I personally believe Running Back is the easiest position to project. So much of it is based on instinct. You can teach blitz pick up, you can teach route running, you can even teach vision to a certain extent. But this is why I dont view Rasul as a legit high end RB. He has the god given speed for sure but give me a yearby type insincts over him all day. A lot of college coaches go by a "prototypical" size or speed for a position instead of just going on if they're a football player or not. My biggest disagreement and hatred towards AL and shannon were there infatuation with prototypical size instead of just guys that can play. Golden didnt want perryman because he was too small. Shannon and Golden both passed on numerous "smaller corners" even though they were lock down stud cbs.

Guys that come to mind that they liked just simply on size and not football skill were langham, d jones, vernon davis, etc. This is why we see mckenzie, powell, moore, etc balling at other schools. Roscoe, santana moss, ed reed, etc would have never been canes under golden.
 
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I'd say QB (obviously) and O-line. Technique is so important on the O-line. RB and WR can be coached by a novice IMO. An OC has a lot to do with a WR's production IMO.

On defense I've always had the hardest time coaching Safeties. D-line is a technique-based position so there's a lot of detailed coaching going on there. LB is an instinct-based position IMO, and you can't coach instincts. But with Safeties, there's a lot of importance placed on READS. You often have to re-program the player because most of them are used to roaming back there, freelancing and just playing the ball. It can be difficult to program them how to read WR's and route distribution. (Ex: reading 2 to 1, what routes to jump versus what routes to let the LB's cover, etc...) One little mis-read could lead to a touchdown. And the reads have to be done extremely quick. There's also many different variations of route combinations they will see so you have to coach them to handle every possibility.
 
Coach Macho said:
I'd say QB (obviously) and O-line. Technique is so important on the O-line. RB and WR can be coached by a novice IMO. An OC has a lot to do with a WR's production IMO.

On defense I've always had the hardest time coaching Safeties. D-line is a technique-based position so there's a lot of detailed coaching going on there. LB is an instinct-based position IMO, and you can't coach instincts. But with Safeties, there's a lot of importance placed on READS. You often have to re-program the player because most of them are used to roaming back there, freelancing and just playing the ball. It can be difficult to program them how to read WR's and route distribution. (Ex: reading 2 to 1, what routes to jump versus what routes to let the LB's cover, etc...) One little mis-read could lead to a touchdown. And the reads have to be done extremely quick. There's also many different variations of route combinations they will see so you have to coach them to handle every possibility.
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What i was thinking. You cant be a dummy and play safety at a high level.
 
I would have to go with LB on defense and OL on offense. A lot of last second decisions based on the other teams alignment and personnel changes.
 
For defense, it depends on scheme.

For offense, QB.

Overall, QB.
 
Coach Macho said:
LuCane said:
For defense, it depends on scheme.

For offense, QB.

Overall, QB.
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True.
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Most modern defenses put the onus on the Safety or Safeties, or a particular LB position (for zone blitz teams, as an example, it'd be the LB/DE position).

If I'm choosing who's doing the mental processing on my team/scheme, I choose the Safety. For a couple reasons: 1. a slight tick longer to make a decision, 2. lots of players who can blend football smarts with instinct.
 
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