A mature focused Jarren Williams is our only hope

[TriStarCane]

You’re stupidly of the belief that what you wrote makes sense. It doesn’t, unsurprisingly. You probably think and read like you write so this won’t get through but … QB play does NOT have to be above average or even average for Miami to win 10 regular season games. It’s ridiculous to state otherwise when Kosi beat the 2018 ACC Coastal champs with a 25% completion rate and Miami lost to UVA with horrendous play by the QB’s - a game that could’ve been won even with that awful play.

I’m cool with disagreeing on this. I think it’s possible to do it, but certainly makes winning the conference with good QB play.. I think if we have good QB play then we have run away success rather than struggling to beat teams we should blow out.

 

[blackvern]

Bama won with Jake Coker and got to the title game with Jalen Hurt. But let's give credit to Sunshine because the NFL dline Clemson had didn't mean nothing or a running back that was in the heisman talk was piggybacking off QB play. Wait I forgot about the oline that had gave Sunshine a clean pocket to stand and throw. I also forgot about play calling that kept Bama off balance every title game they had against Clemson. I guess having a complete team is a coincidence.

all that is true and 100% correct, and clemson still doesnt beat Alabama without Sunshine

 

[duke4heisman]

LOL u can't be serious.. I am obviously stating that Tate and Nkosi are mediocre QB's at best. **** Jarren might be too, but he has the best chance to be better then mediocre. How you failed to understand that from my posts befuddles my mind.

LMAO. So now all 3 are mediocre, "at best?!"

 

[blackvern]

I’m cool with disagreeing on this. I think it’s possible to do it, but certainly makes winning the conference with good QB play.. I think if we have good QB play then we have run away success rather than struggling to beat teams we should blow out.

Who's our good QB? At least @Tetragrammaton Cane is come to terms with we might not have a good QB, he thinks we win 10 with better coaching. I'm too scorned from the last 15 years to go along with that

 

[The Svengali]

Well that’s who I want as the starting qb... we need a qb that can make all the throws including the deep ones with ease and accuracy.

Exactly. I’m riding with Jarren till the **** wheels fall off. We NEED Jarren to win it if we want to compete nationally and if we want the offense to reach its full potential

 

[blackvern]

LMAO. So now all 3 are mediocre, "at best?!"

I said Nkosi and Tate are mediocre as of right now..QBs can improve. And I havent seen enough of Jarren but hes easily the most talented of the three. Not hard to comprehend what Im saying.

 

[TruCane81]

Vern,

You my dude, but you have this all wrong - kind of like some who are against you. Miami won 10 games with Rosier because … the rest of the ACC minus Clemson sucks - and it still does; 10 out of 11 regular season games! In successive weeks. Which is why it ****es me off so much when posters say Miami has to win 10 games this year. Miami has to win at least 10 regular season games, if not the bowl which would make 11. So you’re wrong. Miami doesn’t have to be particularly special to win 10 games; Miami just doesn’t have to be inexplicably awful, like last year (where 3 more regular season games could’ve gone the other way).

But you’re right, in my opinion, in another respect - to a point. Miami needs a QB to beat Clemson. Doesn’t have to be great. Eric Dungey isn’t special. But he could lead a team. Some think Martell has that quality…I don’t know if he does. He might. Others think Kosi can develop it…I don’t know. He might. And others think the proverbial “light” has to come on for Jarren. Again, I don’t know. But either of the three should be able to go through this schedule unscathed. That I know. Will it happen? ****, if I know, but I’m overly optimistic that it will. And, if it happens - and I think it will - then I’ll ride with whichever one lines up against Clemson.

Miami beat Nebraska
Miami beat Oklahoma
PSU beat Miami
OSU beat Miami
BYU beat Miami
ASU beat Michigan

Clemson can be beaten

First step to beating Clemson is winning the coastal.

The most important step is the next step, and that is the coaches BELIEVING THEY WILL WIN.

This belief will transfer directly to the team and create energy and attitude needed to focus on the task at hand and go into the game mentally prepared.

After that, you need a gameplan that uses your specific strengths over and over in a way that is difficult to predict. Execute the bread and butter and then hit them with things they haven’t seen when they start reaching and cheating.

We have to play MEAN and turn every matchup into a dog fight. Especially the entire defense and offensive lines.

We have to surprise them with tenacity, aggression, resilience, and persistence. Most of all we have to be VIOLENT!

Upsets happen in football because the underdog comes out and busts the favorite in the mouth from the opening kick. They thought they would waltz and cruise to victory on talent, but these guys are PISEED and hitting HARD. They are focused and attacking everything the favorite likes to do.

It’s even more shocking when the favorite is ready to play, the underdog won’t back down NO MATTER WHAT.

We have seen it happen to us too many times to count. On both sides.

I’m glad the coaching staff and players don’t think like our shell shocked fans.

Otherwise, we won’t be 2019 ACC Champs like we will.

 

[88]

all that is true and 100% correct, and clemson still doesnt beat Alabama without Sunshine

Clemson’s defense beat the **** out of Bama. I wouldn’t say he’s the only QB that would have beat Bama. We’re not winning anything significant without a qb. But we won 10 games with Rosier. 10 games isn’t that crazy with this schedule, and two competent coordinators. We’ve been bleakened the last 15 years but we forgot what it’s like to out coach teams on both sides of the ball with a talent advantage. Well run into problems against teams with more talent than us, but 10 games? Come on Bleak

 

[duke4heisman]

I said Nkosi and Tate are mediocre as of right now..QBs can improve. And I havent seen enough of Jarren but hes easily the most talented of the three. Not hard to comprehend what Im saying.

Dumb.

 

[brock]

I said Nkosi and Tate are mediocre as of right now..QBs can improve. And I havent seen enough of Jarren but hes easily the most talented of the three. Not hard to comprehend what Im saying.

You can say N’Kosi looks mediocre based on what he showed last year but even that’s a stretch given all the things going on. However the story is still out on martell and Jarren obviously because they haven’t played much in actual games to form an opinion. Martell looked great in mop up duty at osu but it was just that, still good to see but a limited sample size. By all accounts these guys are improving

 

[CaneDog66]

and if healthy clemson is on the other side, yeah i don't see it. just being realistic (idc bout the past). for an ACCCG, were gonna get their best shot and i think their best shot is better than ours by a good margin.

Let’s see how things develop and if we can make it to Charlotte to face them. I like our chances but we’ve accomplished the fear once since we’ve been in the ACC. Get to the ACCCG and anything can happen. It’s the perfect trap game for Clemson, who could be looking ahead to the CFP, and not at its opponent before then. That, and factor in that I’m sure our defense will be firing on better cylinders than to start the season by then coupled with the growth of our DT’s and secondary. I like our chances in the game...if we can get there.

 

[TriStarCane]

Who's our good QB? At least @Tetragrammaton Cane is come to terms with we might not have a good QB, he thinks we win 10 with better coaching. I'm too scorned from the last 15 years to go along with that

I think Jarren could be but I’m more bullish on Tate than you. I think he has a higher ceiling than mediocre

 

[TruCane81]

We out here talking about beating Clemson, but haven’t consistently beaten UVA and Georgia Tech. I don’t need a heisman QB to win 10 games in this conference. We aren’t beating Clemson with who we have now. But we can beat UF, FSU and the coastal with just good QB play. This is another dumb *** argument put forward by NoleVern. Tua was the Heisman runner up and couldn’t even beat Clemson with Bama. We aren’t at that level with anyone on our roster right now. But I also think we can win majority of our games with just good QB play

Saban’s tyranny is wearing on Bama.

Clemson took advantage and embarrassed them.

Clemson is not invincible. Put the hat on Lawrence and he comes back down to earth just like anybody else.

Tom Brady got 6 rings. He would have more, but other teams didn’t believe in his divinity and put the hat on his ***.

We got everything we need to beat Clemson right now as long as the coaching is up to par. Is it a guarantee? No, hardly anything is. But ain’t the ridiculous pipe dream people try to make.

Still, great post. I agree with everything else you said.

 

[CaneDog66]

First step to beating Clemson is winning the coastal.

The most important step is the next step, and that is the coaches BELIEVING THEY WILL WIN.

This belief will transfer directly to the team and create energy and attitude needed to focus on the task at hand and go into the game mentally prepared.

After that, you need a gameplan that uses your specific strengths over and over in a way that is difficult to predict. Execute the bread and butter and then hit them with things they haven’t seen when they start reaching and cheating.

We have to play MEAN and turn every matchup into a dog fight. Especially the entire defense and offensive lines.

We have to surprise them with tenacity, aggression, resilience, and persistence. Most of all we have to be VIOLENT!

Upsets happen in football because the underdog comes out and busts the favorite in the mouth from the opening kick. They thought they would waltz and cruise to victory on talent, but these guys are PISEED and hitting HARD. They are focused and attacking everything the favorite likes to do.

It’s even more shocking when the favorite is ready to play, the underdog won’t back down NO MATTER WHAT.

We have seen it happen to us too many times to count. On both sides.

I’m glad the coaching staff and players don’t think like our shell shocked fans.

Otherwise, we won’t be 2019 ACC Champs like we will.

Agreed. And Miami will have those ingredients to pull off the upset, provided we get to the ACCCG. Not saying we won’t - we have too many of what it takes to win the Coastal with ease. But we’ve only done it once in 15yrs. The difference I see in why we’ll get back to Charlotte lies in this new coaching staff. I simply believe they won’t take anything lying down, and won’t allow the players to as well. Manny has already setup the team for success through The Feeley hire. We all have seen the tangible results of what he brings to the table. Couple him with Enos doing the same, or adding to what Feeley has already started, and you have an offense of the likes we probably haven’t seen in 15 seasons. Get a competent QB running it and watch Miami become a machine offensively. We already know defensively we’ll be in games, and with Feeley’s input - finishing them strongly. Take those 2 sides to the ACCCG, and watch Miami punch Clemson first. It will be whether or not the Tigers punch back, or we sense blood in that matchup.

 

[blackvern]

I think Jarren could be but I’m more bullish on Tate than you. I think he has a higher ceiling than mediocre

Bro after the portal acquisition of Tate, I came in thinking we got our Trace Mcsorley. I was hyped as ****, rolled out to Traz Powell with all the Hurricane stickers on my Jeep.

After watching Tate throw I left that scrimmage a shell of a man with no hope, confused about life and what I am here for.

We got a small chance if Tate is running a pure Ohio State style shotgun offense. I believe Enos will play the best QB, I'm skeptical taht he will cater the offense that much to Tate if he wins.

 

[TruCane81]

As if coaches are going to risk their livelihoods on playing their personal favorites, fan favorites, or pandering to helicopter parents.

As Michael Corleone once said: "it's strictly business".

They been doing it for ages.

Always have, always will.

Richt bet his career on his unqualified son. Doesn’t matter the source of the bias, it just matters that coaches are human and make silly decisions all the time.

The question is will this staff do that with this qb situation?

Personally. I believe the answer is no. They will do their best to to put the guy out there that gives us the best chance to win strictly on performance, imo.

 

[blackvern]

For me…I truly haven’t been able to figure this out. I understand the dynamic a more mobile QB brings but Tate ain’t Jackson or Watson. Weird for me is that I have always HATED McSorley’s game…and that is who I see when I see Tate: McSorly ‘18, not ‘17 with Saquan. But Miami could win the regular season with the ‘18 version of McSorley.

On the other hand ODU beat VT with a true passer. Iowa State beat Oklahoma and TCU with a true passer, transfer, who had been buried on the depth chart after the starter left the team (I think another QB had decided to play LB).

I don’t know which QB-style is best and Miami has 3 different QB’s whose differing styles have been effective in college football. I truly have no idea who should be QB.

If Tate is 75% of what McSorley was and he starts we winnin coastal. Last year he lost his top 3 offensive weapons, and had to run for dam near a thousand yards. He had no talant around him like we have now..but based on the scrimmages I saw tate is not close to Mcsorley

 

[brock]

If Tate is 75% of what McSorley was and he starts we winnin coastal. Last year he lost his top 3 offensive weapons, and had to run for dam near a thousand yards. He had no talant around him like we have now..but based on the scrimmages I saw tate is not close to Mcsorley

Tate is more talented than mcsorley. And you are saying based on what you saw in scrimmages like the qbs haven’t put any work in over the summer to correct things

 

[TruCane81]

For me…I truly haven’t been able to figure this out. I understand the dynamic a more mobile QB brings but Tate ain’t Jackson or Watson. Weird for me is that I have always HATED McSorley’s game…and that is who I see when I see Tate: McSorly ‘18, not ‘17 with Saquan. But Miami could win the regular season with the ‘18 version of McSorley.

On the other hand ODU beat VT with a true passer. Iowa State beat Oklahoma and TCU with a true passer, transfer, who had been buried on the depth chart after the starter left the team (I think another QB had decided to play LB).

I don’t know which QB-style is best and Miami has 3 different QB’s whose differing styles have been effective in college football. I truly have no idea who should be QB.

THIS!

I am rooting for N’Kosi because I like the story of overcoming adversity to succeed and so he can shut up his haters.

But I have NO CLUE which players style will give us the best chance to win this season.

We don’t know how flexible Enos will be. We have seen little of these guys practicing in game like situations.

They all have pros and cons, successes and failures.

I see nothing wrong with having a preference for the starter. What bugs me is the way posters **** on our own players to defend their choice.

 

[DemCanesByke]

I dont care who starts as long as they can beat florida. But after watching malik throw balls in the dirt for two years i would be lying if i didnt want to too see accuracy as a part of our next qb’s package. I dont think i can take inaccurate throws for another season. U can know all of the right reads and coverages but if u cant get the ball there it doesnt matter.