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TheOriginalCane said:
You are so full of ****, as you move the goalposts and narrow the terms in order to create a bizarre scenario where you can actually win an argument that Miami should be signing low 3-star recruits. This **** is wild.

"Returning" cornerback? Sure, you want to ignore the transfers. Fine. OJ Frederique has the equivalent numbers in 1 year to Sharpe's 2 years. And Damari Brown had comparable 2023 numbers in 7 games (compared to Sharpe's 11 games), while Damari was only able to play in 2 games in 2024 due to injury. So, what's that, I've named two already who are as productive as Sharpe BUT WERE HIGHER RATED RECRUITS. And that's before I've even mentioned the transfers.

If Sharpe wanted to come back to Miami so bad, given that his uncle is Glenn, it doesn't seem like that connection would have been hard to make 6 months ago. And yet...crickets... Instead, we just took a bunch of multi-year transfer CBs and are recruiting HS well too, but you're yapping about getting Sharpe in the Portal six months from now. The bullcrap that you invent is just crazy. Think about this, you are acting as if a 3-star guy with 23 tackles, 12 assists, and 1 INT in 2 years is somehow going to elevate Miami's defensive back room? OK...

Now you have a chubby for Tywan Cox and are trying to insult Amari Wallace because he got hurt during an "illegal" scrimmage (as his parents called it in the lawsuit). What's Amari Wallace's special trait? HAVING MORE TALENT THAN TYWAN COX, that's his special trait. Yeah, Tywan's father is Torrie and he ran track and he went to your favorite high school. THEN WHY DIDN'T HE HAVE BETTER PRODUCTION AND GET RANKED HIGHER? Yeah, yeah, you don't care about the rankings. This is the part that you can't comprehend, even if Wallace and Cox are roughly the same size, ONE GUY WAS RANKED 500-600 SPOTS HIGHER PRE-INJURY. That's why you take Wallace. All other things (like size) being equal, YOU TAKE THE MORE TALENTED GUY.

Instead, you are arguing for us to take a Top 800 guy...because his father...and because track...and because Northwestern...meanwhile, how did Ray Lewis's son work out? And last I recall, Mark Pope was fast too. And I remember the day when we signed 7 Northwestern players at once and didn't even get the most successful NW kid in that class.

The fact is, Amari Wallace committed to Miami BEFORE he was injured. Should we have dropped him? Please, tell me WHICH DEFENSIVE BACK that Miami should NOT have taken in order to sign 3-star Number 789 ranked recruit Tywan Cox?

4-star Bryce Fitzgerald, ranked #138
4-star Jaboree Antoine, ranked # 184
4-star Chris Ewald, ranked #242
4-star Amari "broke leg" Wallace, ranked #403

By your logic, Miami should turn itself into 3-Star U and sign a bunch of Northwestern players ranked from the 700s to the 2000s just because they went to Northwestern, so that hopefully in the future we can sign kids like JJ who have just barely transferred into Northwestern and haven't even played a game at Northwestern yet.

Incredibly bizarre.

For the record, let's observe Amari Wallace's ratings decline from AFTER his 2023 season ended, through his injury, and including the senior year when he was unable to play. In the months leading up to his injury, based on his rating, Amari Wallace would have been ranked anywhere from 129th best overall to 310th best overall, so he lost 100 spots due to his injury alone. Yet you are choosing to mock him as "broke leg" as if we should have dumped him after his injury. So, yeah, I'm going to take an injured 4-star Top 300 kid over a 3-star recruit ranked #789, no matter who his father is.


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You told me! If all that BS you took the time to type and research makes you feel good 🫡!!! Only a dweeb would respond the way you did, definitely not a football guy!
 
DadeBaby said:
You told me! If all that BS you took the time to type and research makes you feel good 🫡!!! Only a dweeb would respond the way you did, definitely not a football guy!
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Sure. Whatever you need to tell yourself to convince yourself that you weren't just destroyed.

Just keep telling everyone that we should be signing low 3-stars just because they went to Northwestern. Nothing is better at proving that you know nothing about football than a brain-dead argument about how we should be signing less-talented players so that we can eventually hit the Northwestern lottery after five years, for two guys who have never played at Northwestern and one UM legacy player.

Yep, we should have signed the dregs of Northwestern for four years just to get UM legacy Calvin Russell and two guys we didn't even know would transfer to Northwestern until 6 months ago.

What a dopey argument.
 
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gogeta4 said:
Not sure.

Lennear is like 160 pounds not sure why folks would want him to reclassify up.

He appears to have big work ethic from what i see.

I would hope he would stay in his class but who knows.
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well If he's the best WR in South Florida, there have been some rumors he may, and we are currently striking out on all the top WRs we are after... Seems to make sense to me.

Hopefully Dopson reclassifying doesn't **** us like Flowers reclassifying did. If there is any truth to Lennear reclassifying it'd be nice to get ahead of things at a position we could really use the help right now.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You have a misunderstanding of what is going on.

With all of the recruiting ability that we already have on staff, replacing Beard will be addition by whiny subtraction. You don't need someone on the Hartline level. You need a good young coach who has developed a few guys, not a miles-long list.
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nobody has to worry about anything as long as baby jesus and jojo ball out this year now if they choose to play #35 instead of baby jesus and he doesn't have an impact then we can all worry because we will lose all the south fla kids. that will be a Mario and Dawson problem if it happens
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Sure. Whatever you need to tell yourself to convince yourself that you weren't just destroyed.

Just keep telling everyone that we should be signing low 3-stars just because they went to Northwestern. Nothing is better at proving that you know nothing about football then a brain-dead argument about how we should be signing less-talented players so that we can eventually hit the Northwestern lottery after five years, for two guys who have never played at Northwestern and one UM legacy player.

Yep, we should have signed the dregs of Northwestern for four years just to get UM legacy Calvin Russell and two guys we didn't even know would transfer to Northwestern until 6 months ago.

What a dopey argument.
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than*

I don't get many chances to correct your grammar. Kindly proceed.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You have a misunderstanding of what is going on.

With all of the recruiting ability that we already have on staff, replacing Beard will be addition by whiny subtraction. You don't need someone on the Hartline level. You need a good young coach who has developed a few guys, not a miles-long list.
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Beard is developing his guys. Our receivers did very well last year. What is the difference by replacing him with another guy that just develops. Im we win the ACC and make the CFP. Im not giving a new WR coach credit for landing 5*s. Our record and on field performance would be the reason. Now maybe you know something I don’t about what going on with him. That would be totally different and understandable that he may need to move on. It’s not because of his coaching though.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Understandable. It's just sad that he is sell sell selling a bunch of BS that he can't and won't deliver, and that some people fall for that.

If he was selling a Syracuse turnaround on the field, sure, maybe some people believe in his vision. But post-graduation jobs and whatnot is just a load of garbage for a Year 2 head coach to promise.
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TheOriginalCane said:
Understandable. It's just sad that he is sell sell selling a bunch of BS that he can't and won't deliver, and that some people fall for that.

If he was selling a Syracuse turnaround on the field, sure, maybe some people believe in his vision. But post-graduation jobs and whatnot is just a load of garbage for a Year 2 head coach to promise.
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Eh, I just think too much is made of that specific recruiting pitch. It’s not uncommon at all to have special names for “career programs” at schools. Richt brought a similar program when he came to Miami. More of an indictment of Dino Babers/Syracuse if they didn’t already have anything in place
 
1. Syracuse has overpaid for this kid, who’s a major project.
2. Right now, he’s neither a great football or basketball player.
3. He will never be a basketball player. All he has is athleticism-can run and jump. That doesn’t make a Div 1 basketball player at a major BB school. He won’t see the court, maybe in mop up. Watch the kids tape for two minutes, that’s all you need. Can’t shoot, can’t dribble, **** his shot looks like an alien.
4. He needs to dedicate himself to football and get to work, serious work. Maybe then he’ll be something.
5. Move on, not a major loss. Don’t care if it’s NW or Hialeah for that matter.
 
Shannon and Gooden offered every JAG in Dade county just to try to get a foot in the door for the elite kids. Those kids all left town. The idea that you need to sign kids you wouldn’t normally offer just to try to get in the good graces of a local school is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Caneofcanes said:
Beard is developing his guys. Our receivers did very well last year. What is the difference by replacing him with another guy that just develops. Im we win the ACC and make the CFP. Im not giving a new WR coach credit for landing 5*s. Our record and on field performance would be the reason. Now maybe you know something I don’t about what going on with him. That would be totally different and understandable that he may need to move on. It’s not because of his coaching though.
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Your post indicates that you are not aware of what is happening off the field, and that's fine. If you want to look at the stats at the end of the season and draws conclusions accordingly, I can't change that.

As for development, Beard gets a half-grade. C+. If you think Beard is responsible for the development of Restrepo, I have some fine Everglades swampland to sell you. Beard had more of an impact on Horton and possibly George (though clearly not on the temperment side). Brown was a transfer who really didn't get any better and was misused (that falls more on the OC and playcalling, though). If KB was a better and more trusted coach who could be elevated to passing game coordinator, then perhaps he could have more impact on playcalling and usage. Most importantly for today, it is hard to see a lot of development with RayRay and JoJo and Ny and Chance. Maybe there will be an explosion in 2025, but we won 7 games by fairly wide margins last year, and those 4 guys should have had more than 13 combined receptions in 2024.

I have previously defended Beard's recruiting. He got three 4-stars in each of the past 2 completed recruiting cycles, and it wasn't his fault as to the 5-star WRs we lost out on in 2024 and 2025. However, Beard is one of the primary causes for losing someone big in 2026, even if another person did damage as well.
 
CF3 said:
Eh, I just think too much is made of that specific recruiting pitch. It’s not uncommon at all to have special names for “career programs” at schools. Richt brought a similar program when he came to Miami. More of an indictment of Dino Babers/Syracuse if they didn’t already have anything in place
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Not sure what the point of your post is here.

Miami has had an excellent post-graduate support program in place for multiple decades, under multiple coaches. For certain parents to be "impressed" by a first year coach making those kinds of promises at a school that has neglected that for decades is just sad, particularly when citing that as some sort of differentiating factor.

Nothing that Fran Brown is tenuously promising to do in the future is any better or different from what Miami and other schools have been delivering for decades. So if parents actually get hooked by that spiel, then they need to be asking more questions and making more side-by-side comparisons. That is all.
 
Caneofcanes said:
Beard is developing his guys. Our receivers did very well last year. What is the difference by replacing him with another guy that just develops. Im we win the ACC and make the CFP. Im not giving a new WR coach credit for landing 5*s. Our record and on field performance would be the reason. Now maybe you know something I don’t about what going on with him. That would be totally different and understandable that he may need to move on. It’s not because of his coaching though.
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We gotta start putting guys in the league in high draft positions. Mario himself has 2 WRs drafted under his coaching ever, Chandler Williams, a 7th rounder in 2007 and TY Hilton. Beard has one player that he coached get drafted. Phillip Dorsett. Miami as program has had three since Dorsett. Coley, a 7th, Berrios, a 6th, and KJ, a 5th.

At some point this program has to start putting WRs in the league at high clip before we get true blue chippers. A true name with a track record of that helps land these guys before that happens. Just based on Mario & Beard’s history odds are they won’t do it. So a change should happen.
 
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aelmiami said:
We gotta start putting guys in the league in high draft positions. Mario himself has 2 WRs drafted under his coaching ever, Chandler Williams, a 7th rounder in 2007 and TY Hilton. Beard has one player that he coached get drafted. Phillip Dorsett. Miami as program has had three since Dorsett. Coley, a 7th, Berrios, a 6th, and KJ, a 5th.

At some point this program has to start putting WRs in the league at high clip before we get true blue chippers. A true name with a track record of that helps land these guys before that happens. Just based on Mario & Beard’s history odds are they won’t do it. So a change should happen.
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One solution that should be considered is the hiring of a current NFL WR coach. A hire like that would carry weight with recruits and players that the position coach would be able to explain traits and habits and skills that are necessary to make it to the NFL and stick on a roster. And then you wouldn't need to compete with other top universities to "hire only guys with the best college track records". You could let Mario recruit, and let the WR coach teach next-level skills.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
One solution that should be considered is the hiring of a current NFL WR coach. A hire like that would carry weight with recruits and players that the position coach would be able to explain traits and habits and skills that are necessary to make it to the NFL and stick on a roster. And then you wouldn't need to compete with other top universities to "hire only guys with the best college track records". You could let Mario recruit, and let the WR coach teach next-level skills.
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Trumpycane is going to assume you mean Hankerson
 
TrumpyCane said:
Trumpycane is going to assume you mean Hankerson
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I didn't mean anyone in particular. I would certainly defer to a guy like @Memnon to speak on Hank's coaching abilities, or the abilities of any other NFL coach that might want to develop guys at the collegiate level.

While I love it when Miami hires qualified Miami guys (i.e., NOT JD), I don't push for a Miami guy to the exclusion of anyone else. Except for Mario and Mark Richt. I felt both were head-and-shoulders above any other coaching candidates at the time(s).
 
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