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4.5 Stars on Defense v 2.0 Starts on Offense

DTP said:
What All pro player was 2 star? I think they just made that up.

The premise does make sense though. You can scheme your way to a good offense with average players but a dominant defense, especially a defensive line, requires studs. There’s only so many superhuman 300 pound guys with cat quickness in the world.
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DTP said:
What All pro player was 2 star? I think they just made that up.

The premise does make sense though. You can scheme your way to a good offense with average players but a dominant defense, especially a defensive line, requires studs. There’s only so many superhuman 300 pound guys with cat quickness in the world.
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Here's the AP All-Pro Team and their 247 Composite star rating:

Quarterback — Patrick Mahomes (3*)
Running Back — Josh Jacobs (3*)
Tight End — Travis Kelce (2*)
Wide Receivers — Justin Jefferson (3*), Tyreek Hill (4* JUCO), Davante Adams (2*)
Left Tackle — Trent Williams (3*)
Right Tackle — Lane Johnson (Unranked JUCO)
Left Guard — Joel Bitonio (2*)
Right Guard — Zack Martin (4*)
Center — Jason Kelce (Unranked)

That's about a 2.4. But if you put Tyreek at a 0* out of HS (which is BS, but fine), it's exactly a 2.0. So it looks like they worked the numbers just a little in favor of this narrative by discounting Hill's JUCO stars. Otherwise, a couple of unranked OL are tanking the average, but that's probably not a surprise to most of us.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
Here's the AP All-Pro Team and their 247 Composite star rating:

Quarterback — Patrick Mahomes (3*)
Running Back — Josh Jacobs (3*)
Tight End — Travis Kelce (2*)
Wide Receivers — Justin Jefferson (3*), Tyreek Hill (4* JUCO), Davante Adams (2*)
Left Tackle — Trent Williams (3*)
Right Tackle — Lane Johnson (Unranked JUCO)
Left Guard — Joel Bitonio (2*)
Right Guard — Zack Martin (4*)
Center — Jason Kelce (Unranked)

That's about a 2.4. But if you put Tyreek at a 0* out of HS (which is BS, but fine), it's exactly a 2.0. So it looks like they worked the numbers just a little in favor of this narrative by discounting Hill's JUCO stars. Otherwise, a couple of unranked OL are tanking the average, but that's probably not a surprise to most of us.
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true, but there's still just 1 four start and 0 five stars, but are three stars.
 
rsa coral gables said:
Per Bruce Feldman, the average star ratings for NFL All Pro Players this year is 4.5 stars on defense and 2.0 starts on offense.

link to the article in the tweet below. thoughts?

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Not a surprise. Scheme is much more important on offense.
 
DTP said:
Ahhh, now i see. They’re using Rivals Star ratings.
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No, they r using 247 composite rating.

Mahomes - 3*
Jacobs - 3*
Hill - NR (out of HS)
Adams - 2*
Jefferson - 3*
T Kelce - 2*
J Kelce - NR
Bitonio - 2*
Williams - 3*
Johnson - NR
Martin - 4*

22 stars / 11 players = 2.0

If they included Tyreke being a 4* JUCO transfer per 247 from the class of 2014, instead of his original 2012 class, then it would be an avg. of 2.2
 
For OL at 17-18 the biggest kids are usually just that...big. But there are a lot of kids who are hitting that young adult growth spurt at 20-21-22 and growing into their frames.

I saw it in baseball all the time. Now todays training can help some of those big kids grow into that size much better. But when you have a program that can give those 275-300lb kids 2years to just workout, train, and learn they can become special. I love the idea of recruit oversized bball players. Like Zion. 6'4 250 but move well. I know kids that size that move at elite levels end up at DE or TE's but the kids who add weight and just lose a step. Thankfully I think we have 2 almost college ready Freshman OL that just need a few months to adjust and will be fine. They will have some hiccups but it wont be like Zions freshman year where he was rushed
 
Whether or not any of the numbers - 2.0 and 4.5 - or the disparity itself are accurate, this makes sense on the surface.

Modern defense requires a certain level of athleticism. Stars are often heavily weighed by attributes.

Modern offense requires a certain level more of the non-physical traits that the HS star system or even the NFL draft do poor jobs of evaluating.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
That's about a 2.4. But if you put Tyreek at a 0* out of HS (which is BS, but fine), it's exactly a 2.0. So it looks like they worked the numbers just a little in favor of this narrative by discounting Hill's JUCO stars. Otherwise, a couple of unranked OL are tanking the average, but that's probably not a surprise to most of us.
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Interesting follow up - 5 of 11 were Round 1 picks. 8 of 11 were Day 1 & 2 picks.

So while recruiting rankings may have missed, the NFL evaluations were pretty good

Quarterback — Patrick Mahomes (3* - 1st RD)
Running Back — Josh Jacobs (3* - 1st RD)
Tight End — Travis Kelce (2* - 3rd RD)
Wide Receivers — Justin Jefferson (3* - 1st RD), Tyreek Hill (4* JUCO - 5th RD), Davante Adams (2* - 2nd RD)
Left Tackle — Trent Williams (3* - 1st RD)
Right Tackle — Lane Johnson (Unranked JUCO - 4th RD)
Left Guard — Joel Bitonio (2* - 2nd RD)
Right Guard — Zack Martin (4* - 1st RD)
Center — Jason Kelce (Unranked - 6th RD)
 
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How tf does Devonta Adams go completely unnoticed by any of the big schools while living in Palo Alto.
Dude was ballin as soon as he got there. You’re telling me he sucked in highs school and became an all American because some ga or receiver coach at Fresno developed him?

Dude had a redshirt freshman season that was insane and was already 6’2 200lbs.
I doubt that any of the coaches at that school have a record of producing pro bowl wr’s from 2 star rated prospects.

So how was a dude that talented playing in that state go unnoticed?
 
In men's sports, some kids develop early and then slow down for a variety of reasons. Some develop much later also for a variety of reasons. In women's sports it's different. You can usually tell by 9th/10th grade what they're going to be.
The 2.0* thing is mildly surprising but not completely. Those *s are often unpredictable.
 
I’ve always thought defense called for the athletes/measurables and offense needed some more intangibles/brains for sustained high levels of success.

Obviously there are always exceptions, but this would support my theory.
 
The fact that 2 former walk-ons (Bennett & Renfrow) played pivotal roles in their teams run to a Natty should tell you that offense is "easier" than defense. And Clemson is coached by a former walk-on. H e l l, some teams are (or were) coached or coordinated by offensive guys that never played the game before. Offense is rote, while defense you don't know what the play's going to be 50% of the time.
 
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