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Yesterday's game doesn't need to be deeply analyzed but for a handful of aspects that can actually carry over into meaningful games. Of the very few, the primary one I've watched since the beginning of the season is 3rd down conversion rate.

We didn't convert our first 3rd down until 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The 4/9 3rd down conversion final stat is skewed by the backups in the 4th quarter, as we were 0/5 with the starters until that mid-3rd quarter conversion.

Coming into the game, we were something like 127th of 130 teams in this metric. We'll likely still be in the 100s, as we're now 9/34 on the season for 26.4%.

Make of it what you will.
 
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LuCane said:
Yesterday's game doesn't need to be deeply analyzed but for a handful of aspects that can actually carry over into meaningful games. Of the very few, the primary one I've watched since the beginning of the season is 3rd down conversion rate.

We didn't convert our first 3rd down until 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The 4/9 3rd down conversion final stat is skewed by the backups in the 4th quarter, as we were 0/5 with the starters until that mid-3rd quarter conversion.

Coming into the game, we were something like 127th of 130 teams in this metric. We'll likely still be in the 100s, as we're now 9/34 on the season for 26.4%.

Make of it what you will.
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Boom! Thanks Lu.

Again, not to be a Debbie Downer, but there were some glaring things that didn’t make a lick of sense against a FCS team. We just simply out talented them, but our weaknesses were still on display, namely 3rd down conversions, pre snap penalties, and ST
 
LuCane said:
Yesterday's game doesn't need to be deeply analyzed but for a handful of aspects that can actually carry over into meaningful games. Of the very few, the primary one I've watched since the beginning of the season is 3rd down conversion rate.

We didn't convert our first 3rd down until 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. The 4/9 3rd down conversion final stat is skewed by the backups in the 4th quarter, as we were 0/5 with the starters until that mid-3rd quarter conversion.

Coming into the game, we were something like 127th of 130 teams in this metric. We'll likely still be in the 100s, as we're now 9/34 on the season for 26.4%.

Make of it what you will.
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One factor seeming to contribute to the lack of conversions is the lack of creative play calling. On the other hand, there was the one throw to JT caught no way near the marker and surrounded by the secondary. And lastly it appears we don’t expect at all the expected added pressure on 3rd down and thus succumb to it instead of being prepared for and dealing with it. And this was all against Bethune.
 
The fact that #31 for Bethune kept making impressive plays was concerning to me.

I didn’t realize that we were that bad on 3rd down though. I still think we’ll tighten up our early offensive woes.
 
Trill said:
The fact that #31 for Bethune kept making impressive plays was concerning to me.

I didn’t realize that we were that bad on 3rd down though. I still think we’ll tighten up our early offensive woes.
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Just because they're an FCS team does't mean they can't have a guy or two that are FBS level talent. We only hear when a guy is kicked off a team like a Randy Moss and he has to go to a lesser school, but there a multitude of reasons why a guy would go to an FCS school. It doesn't mean we are deficient in that area.
 
While not perfect, there was a lot to like yesterday. Covered by 3 scores and generally dominated. But in true CIS fashion, lets ignore all of that and focus on the negatives.

We’re very young on offense but I believe we are making strides and will continue to improve.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Boom! Thanks Lu.

Again, not to be a Debbie Downer, but there were some glaring things that didn’t make a lick of sense against a FCS team. We just simply out talented them, but our weaknesses were still on display, namely 3rd down conversions, pre snap penalties, and ST
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5Rings&an Asterisk said:
Just because they're an FCS team does't mean they can't have a guy or two that are FBS level talent. We only hear when a guy is kicked off a team like a Randy Moss and he has to go to a lesser school, but there a multitude of reasons why a guy would go to an FCS school. It doesn't mean we are deficient in that area.
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3 games is enough to say we are deficient in that area. Need to improve but there are plenty of breakdown on those plays that can be easily corrected.
 
The first qtr against savanna state last year and Bethune yesterday tells me all I need to know.
We should go 7 plays 70 yards for 7 pts on the first series against teams like this.
I don’t want to hear any excuses about trying new sht or keeping it simple or whatever pixie dust makes that **** a first qtr smell like chocolate covered marshmallows. It’s still tastes like sht.
 
One has to wonder how 3rd down efficiency can be so bad now going into our 3rd regime. Coaches have come and gone, same as players, how does this remain a constant ?
 
We had nearly 500 yards last week and 600 yards this week. That's a good day on offense no matter what. That poor 3rd down conversion percentage is interesting. We have to ripping chunks of yards on first and second to avoid third downs. Is the problem, that we're not setting ourselves up for manageable third downs with our first and second down play calling and or execution?
 
canesthing3 said:
While not perfect, there was a lot to like yesterday. Covered by 3 scores and generally dominated. But in true CIS fashion, lets ignore all of that and focus on the negatives.

We’re very young on offense but I believe we are making strides and will continue to improve.
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"In true CIS fashion" is the popular thing to say now, I guess. What a sensitive board this has become. This is an actual issue.

Who gives a flying **** what happened yesterday outside of what can carry over to meaningful games? And, 3rd down conversion carries over to meaningful games. Positive, negative, I talk about it all. On other threads and discussions, I've mentioned positive flashes, like Jeremiah Payton. Or, seemingly minimal injuries.

This thread happens to be negative and has been for all 3 games. Fit it into your delicate sensibilities or not. It's important we correct it.
 
atlCanesFan said:
One has to wonder how 3rd down efficiency can be so bad now going into our 3rd regime. Coaches have come and gone, same as players, how does this remain a constant ?
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The oline personnel is still not there. Still seeing guys penetrating on 3rd and short/4th and short etc . Got to recruit better on the oline it’s simple. Also the plays with the fullback in on 3rd and short aren’t necessarily working that well imo
 
brock said:
3 games is enough to say we are deficient in that area. Need to improve but there are plenty of breakdown on those plays that can be easily corrected.
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I think there is enough of a sample to say this isn’t easily correctable. For starters Enos needs to get out of his own way. Way too many times he’s calling plays that have had zero success. Some of that is attributed to the OL and player execution, but also fall on what we do schematically. Our route combos looks ******* elementary.
 
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5Rings&an Asterisk said:
We had nearly 500 yards last week and 600 yards this week. That's a good day on offense no matter what. That poor 3rd down conversion percentage is interesting. We have to ripping chunks of yards on first and second to avoid third downs. Is the problem, that we're not setting ourselves up for manageable third downs with our first and second down play calling and or execution?
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We were getting stopped on 3rd & short, too, though.
 
KWCOWBOYFAN said:
Good post.

On a positive note, I think we have won the time of possession in all 3 games.

This will only help in the long run!
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That tells two things, while we are not converting 3rd downs etc consistently we are still moving the ball well regardless and controlling time of possession . And that if we do start converting those plays then this offense can take another leap
 
LuCane said:
"In true CIS fashion" is the popular thing to say now, I guess. What a sensitive board this has become. This is an actual issue.

Who gives a flying **** what happened yesterday outside of what can carry over to meaningful games? And, 3rd down conversion carries over to meaningful games. Positive, negative, I talk about it all. On other threads and discussions, I've mentioned positive flashes, like Jeremiah Payton. Or, seemingly minimal injuries.

This thread happens to be negative and has been for all 3 games. Fit it into your delicate sensibilities or not. It's important we correct it.
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Until all the dog**** threads are cleaned up, threads like this are "true CIS fashion", no?
 
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