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2023 Team Talent Composite

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Coach Macho said:
We haven't had good talent around here in a long time.
And the talent we did have, wasn't coached-up to play to its potential.
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I’m whichu! Good by our standards? Absolutely not.

Good as in good enough to win the Coastal **** near every and play in the ACCCG…? I’d say so.
 
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Alabama has 18 five-stars and Miami has 4.

That’s a massive talent gap and goes to show why top 5 classes need to be the standard rather than top 10.

Our class last year had 2 five stars, Alabama’s had 8. Goes to show that the gap with them is getting wider, not closer
 
Evaluate and Develop- our evals have been pretty bad at times not just from a talent but a mental/off-field POV. Just look at WR alone: Pope, Hightower, Wiggins, Payton, Njuko, KSmith, Worsham, back to Sam Bruce and Mullins. How the F can Miami not have at least 1 NFL type every freaking year and 2 others that could be all acc types?
 
RightSaidFred said:
Alabama has 18 five-stars and Miami has 4.

That’s a massive talent gap and goes to show why top 5 classes need to be the standard rather than top 10.

Our class last year had 2 five stars, Alabama’s had 8. Goes to show that the gap with them is getting wider, not closer
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If we develop kids, our recruits will get bumps. I'd be willing to bet those 8 5* kids would not all be 5* if they were signing with Miami. Just how that industry works.
 
90scane said:
You mean DJ Ivey or the 6 kids starting at SMU or the starting center at UNC? I’m sure I could find more if you’d like.
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Ivey has impressed in practice per usual, UNC's starting line has been a major weakness for years. Gaynor starting there in year 7 is not impressive. Yes 6 kids dropped to g5 competition and found a role, that's not saying what you think it's saying.

We have not been stacked with talent for a while. We had 4 players drafted in total over the last 2 years (including DJ). That screams low-tier acc level talent.
 
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Miami has had more talent than 85% of the teams in college football for decades now. Yeah, the team lacks talent compared to the absolute elite teams but there's like 110 other teams in FBS that would love Miami's talent. We shouldn't need to have Georgia or Alabama's roster to be better than 7-5 in the garbage ACC every year. We lose to UNC all the time. Virginia is trash and they are like .500 against us since we joined the ACC. We've lost to Duke 3 times in 6 years. Anyone who thinks Miami hasn't had enough talent to be a 9-10 win team consistently is retarded. We play in what has been the weakest P5 conference since we joined it. The one elite team in our conference is rarely even on our schedule. Our previously "tougher" rival opponents FSU and VT have been generally mediocre outside a FSU's short two year run with Jameis Winston.
 
brcane1 said:
This is still pretty terrible. Further right of the grey trend line = more talent than opposition, further left = less talented.
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Yes, but we already knew where we'd be on the X-axis. That's what this thread is about, our team talent.

The graph shows where that is in relation to the teams you play, and of every single team above 800 in team talent rating, of which there looks to be 16 teams, we play the worst average talent. So this graph is telling you we have one of the 12 most talented teams, but our opponents have about the 40th most talent.

Competent staff wins games with this kind of disparity.
 
[]_[] swag said:
Ivey has impressed in practice per usual, UNC's starting line has been a major weakness for years. Gaynor starting there in year 7 is not impressive. Yes 6 kids dropped to g5 competition and found a role, that's not saying what you think it's saying.

We have not been stacked with talent for a while. We had 4 players drafted in total over the last 2 years (including DJ). That screams low-tier acc level talent.
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IMO, it screams low-tier acc-level development of talent in some cases and just bad talent in others.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Yes, but we already knew where we'd be on the X-axis. That's what this thread is about, our team talent.

The graph shows where that is in relation to the teams you play, and of every single team above 800 in team talent rating, of which there looks to be 16 teams, we play the worst average talent. So this graph is telling you we have one of the 12 most talented teams, but our opponents have about the 40th most talent.

Competent staff wins games with this kind of disparity.
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Yep - and of course there are always exceptions with more talent not always meaning more wins (why play the game otherwise), but by and large it holds true. No excuse for Miami to have been as bad as they have been for the last 15 years.
 
Basically explains why I advocated for hiring a "does more with less" coach, since we have more talent than many people think. Fans want to believe that bad record = lack of talent because it is an easier pill to swallow than realizing the HC is egregiously misusing the talent.

For example, when a HC forces the D to run a Big10 style 3-4 defense and tries fatten the players up so they are slow and lumbering, that is not a lack of talent.

Or

When a QB who was outstanding in a spread offense and then is forced to run a slow, plodding pro-style offense, the inevitable failure does not mean the roster lacked talent.
 
DTP said:
Miami has had more talent than 85% of the teams in college football for decades now. Yeah, the team lacks talent compared to the absolute elite teams but there's like 110 other teams in FBS that would love Miami's talent. We shouldn't need to have Georgia or Alabama's roster to be better than 7-5 in the garbage ACC every year. We lose to UNC all the time. Virginia is trash and they are like .500 against us since we joined the ACC. We've lost to Duke 3 times in 6 years. Anyone who thinks Miami hasn't had enough talent to be a 9-10 win team consistently is retarded. We play in what has been the weakest P5 conference since we joined it. The one elite team in our conference is rarely even on our schedule. Our previously "tougher" rival opponents FSU and VT have been generally mediocre outside a FSU's short two year run with Jameis Winston.
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Facts, facts and more facts.

UNC and Pitt have had years where they were better at a couple positions outside of QB but top to bottom we usually have the more talented roster
 
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TooColdToHold said:
Anything less than 9 wins is a disappointment.
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Believe me, I understand what's happened the last 2 decades and how I should temper my expectations, however...

...we either have a good coach worthy of his $8mm a year salary or we don't. With these players, these coordinators and this level of talent, 9 wins SHOULD be the floor. The only way 9 wins isn't the floor is if we lose TVD. Even then, we should rack up 7-8.

All things being equal, this season will be a failure (no matter how well we perform in gallant losses) if we don't win 9 and they can even use the bowl game to get there. No more tempering expectations with this kind of firepower. It's time for Mario to deliver and until proven otherwise, I believe he will.... but he better...
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
Basically explains why I advocated for hiring a "does more with less" coach, since we have more talent than many people think. Fans want to believe that bad record = lack of talent because it is an easier pill to swallow than realizing the HC is egregiously misusing the talent.

For example, when a HC forces the D to run a Big10 style 3-4 defense and tries fatten the players up so they are slow and lumbering, that is not a lack of talent.

Or

When a QB who was outstanding in a spread offense and then is forced to run a slow, plodding pro-style offense, the inevitable failure does not mean the roster lacked talent.
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I'm a big fan of the coordinator hires this year because they were both "do more with less" guys. While the coordinators we had last year only had success when given premium talent.
 
DTP said:
I'm a big fan of the coordinator hires this year because they were both "do more with less" guys. While the coordinators we had last year only had success when given premium talent.
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Guidry had the best defense last year by some metrics

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