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Ammok said:
miamicanephins said:
LOL. He's not terrible
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He's a QB that can't throw.

https://sports.yahoo.com/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-passes-eyeball-test-starts-throwing-025702572.html

miamicanephins said:
So you're telling me the fsu guy will be the difference maker?
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Nope, just your imagination. Never mention FSWho or anyone but Allen.
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Your theory has been debunked. He tore the opposing secondary up every time he played. It obvious now that the Wyoming team he had this year held him back.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Chad Thomas was faring very well on day one until he was manhandled by the huge UTEP guard Hernandez. Not a fair fight physically. Of course, Thomas had plenty of company. Hernandez is a wide body who dominates his opponent more often than not, and he was having a great day on Tuesday. Probably the best player on either side.

Too bad Thomas missed the remainder of the week.

Per the Dolphins, I'm not convinced on Josh Allen but the criticism here is too harsh. He's hardly a no-chance tunnel vision winger type like Clausen or Hackenberg. Allen will look bad on a particular type of throw and then execute it perfectly the next time. He's going to be a guy who makes huge plays on some possessions and then strangely disappears for a possession or two.

I wouldn't trust him as early starter. Probably lots of forced picks. But there's no question he has more upside than Tannehill.

From the first time I saw Allen a couple of years ago he reminded me of a much larger and more talented version of Jake Plummer. I'll stick with that even though it is not a popular comparison. For as smart and agile and effective as Plummer always looked, his college completion percentage was in the mid 50s. Four consecutive years. He finished with a career number of 55.4% and the highest in any one season was barely above 57%. That's why I immediately thought of Plummer when Allen emerged in 2016. Allen runs smoothly like a larger version of Plummer and can buy time to create a passing lane. He also runs effectively when it's there. But it never equates to one impressive throw and drive after another. Hit and miss.

Of course, Allen has a far stronger arm than Plummer ever did. That's the intrigue.

I don't want a little guy like Roquan Smith, who was not even listed as a first rounder in the 2018 early mock drafts from last April or even the versions from September or October 2017. Late risers are sucker material. The Dolphins have succumbed far too often. Far preferable to take a guy like Derwin James, who probably would have been a first round pick in 2016 if eligible, based on his great freshman year alone. James was a 5 star recruit while Smith was borderline 3/4.

Florida State has several 5 star guys who along with Chad Thomas will be intriguing fits in this draft, like James, Sweat and Thomas. Probably somebody I'm forgetting.
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Good Brother Dooger...

Josh Allen is not good.

His statistical comps are horrendous. We're talking Jake Locker, Kyle Boller, Kevin O'Connell.

For a poster that often points out that one shouldn't choose an outlier, choosing Jake Plummer (a quarterback I was never high on, FWIW) seems shortsighted. It also should be a sign that under no circumstances do you draft this bum high. Plummer being your best case scenario...as QB that threw for more TDs than INTs only twice in his career in a full season of play.

Allen will be the worst first round QB since EJ Manuel and will get whoever drafts him fired. Horrible QB prospect that high.

Not sure what you mean by "late risers" either. Derwin James is likely rated by every pundit/scout/et al ahead of Roquon Smith, so I am not sure of your point.

Charles Harris, Laremy Tunsil, and DeVante Parker were all highly regarded going into their final college season. Not exactly the mold of "late risers" as you mentioned.
 
Allen has an absolute rifle.

No clue how good he’ll be, but the ball jumps out of his hand in a way that is rare.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Awsi Dooger said:
Chad Thomas was faring very well on day one until he was manhandled by the huge UTEP guard Hernandez. Not a fair fight physically. Of course, Thomas had plenty of company. Hernandez is a wide body who dominates his opponent more often than not, and he was having a great day on Tuesday. Probably the best player on either side.

Too bad Thomas missed the remainder of the week.

Per the Dolphins, I'm not convinced on Josh Allen but the criticism here is too harsh. He's hardly a no-chance tunnel vision winger type like Clausen or Hackenberg. Allen will look bad on a particular type of throw and then execute it perfectly the next time. He's going to be a guy who makes huge plays on some possessions and then strangely disappears for a possession or two.

I wouldn't trust him as early starter. Probably lots of forced picks. But there's no question he has more upside than Tannehill.

From the first time I saw Allen a couple of years ago he reminded me of a much larger and more talented version of Jake Plummer. I'll stick with that even though it is not a popular comparison. For as smart and agile and effective as Plummer always looked, his college completion percentage was in the mid 50s. Four consecutive years. He finished with a career number of 55.4% and the highest in any one season was barely above 57%. That's why I immediately thought of Plummer when Allen emerged in 2016. Allen runs smoothly like a larger version of Plummer and can buy time to create a passing lane. He also runs effectively when it's there. But it never equates to one impressive throw and drive after another. Hit and miss.

Of course, Allen has a far stronger arm than Plummer ever did. That's the intrigue.

I don't want a little guy like Roquan Smith, who was not even listed as a first rounder in the 2018 early mock drafts from last April or even the versions from September or October 2017. Late risers are sucker material. The Dolphins have succumbed far too often. Far preferable to take a guy like Derwin James, who probably would have been a first round pick in 2016 if eligible, based on his great freshman year alone. James was a 5 star recruit while Smith was borderline 3/4.

Florida State has several 5 star guys who along with Chad Thomas will be intriguing fits in this draft, like James, Sweat and Thomas. Probably somebody I'm forgetting.
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Good Brother Dooger...

Josh Allen is not good.

His statistical comps are horrendous. We're talking Jake Locker, Kyle Boller, Kevin O'Connell.

For a poster that often points out that one shouldn't choose an outlier, choosing Jake Plummer (a quarterback I was never high on, FWIW) seems shortsighted. It also should be a sign that under no circumstances do you draft this bum high. Plummer being your best case scenario...as QB that threw for more TDs than INTs only twice in his career in a full season of play.

Allen will be the worst first round QB since EJ Manuel and will get whoever drafts him fired. Horrible QB prospect that high.

Not sure what you mean by "late risers" either. Derwin James is likely rated by every pundit/scout/et al ahead of Roquon Smith, so I am not sure of your point.

Charles Harris, Laremy Tunsil, and DeVante Parker were all highly regarded going into their final college season. Not exactly the mold of "late risers" as you mentioned.
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You do understand that the Wyoming team he played absolutely zero talent and not only have I mentioned that about Josh Allen but scouts, NFL network, and Mel/Mcshay have said the exact same thing. Wanna know how good he could be? Go watch the senior game from today. The DB’s were blanketing WR’s all day but he was the only one that was able to tear apart that secondary and outperformed Baker Mayfield by a mile.
 
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Zbrod95 said:
BoxingRobes said:
Awsi Dooger said:
Chad Thomas was faring very well on day one until he was manhandled by the huge UTEP guard Hernandez. Not a fair fight physically. Of course, Thomas had plenty of company. Hernandez is a wide body who dominates his opponent more often than not, and he was having a great day on Tuesday. Probably the best player on either side.

Too bad Thomas missed the remainder of the week.

Per the Dolphins, I'm not convinced on Josh Allen but the criticism here is too harsh. He's hardly a no-chance tunnel vision winger type like Clausen or Hackenberg. Allen will look bad on a particular type of throw and then execute it perfectly the next time. He's going to be a guy who makes huge plays on some possessions and then strangely disappears for a possession or two.

I wouldn't trust him as early starter. Probably lots of forced picks. But there's no question he has more upside than Tannehill.

From the first time I saw Allen a couple of years ago he reminded me of a much larger and more talented version of Jake Plummer. I'll stick with that even though it is not a popular comparison. For as smart and agile and effective as Plummer always looked, his college completion percentage was in the mid 50s. Four consecutive years. He finished with a career number of 55.4% and the highest in any one season was barely above 57%. That's why I immediately thought of Plummer when Allen emerged in 2016. Allen runs smoothly like a larger version of Plummer and can buy time to create a passing lane. He also runs effectively when it's there. But it never equates to one impressive throw and drive after another. Hit and miss.

Of course, Allen has a far stronger arm than Plummer ever did. That's the intrigue.

I don't want a little guy like Roquan Smith, who was not even listed as a first rounder in the 2018 early mock drafts from last April or even the versions from September or October 2017. Late risers are sucker material. The Dolphins have succumbed far too often. Far preferable to take a guy like Derwin James, who probably would have been a first round pick in 2016 if eligible, based on his great freshman year alone. James was a 5 star recruit while Smith was borderline 3/4.

Florida State has several 5 star guys who along with Chad Thomas will be intriguing fits in this draft, like James, Sweat and Thomas. Probably somebody I'm forgetting.
Click to expand...

Good Brother Dooger...

Josh Allen is not good.

His statistical comps are horrendous. We're talking Jake Locker, Kyle Boller, Kevin O'Connell.

For a poster that often points out that one shouldn't choose an outlier, choosing Jake Plummer (a quarterback I was never high on, FWIW) seems shortsighted. It also should be a sign that under no circumstances do you draft this bum high. Plummer being your best case scenario...as QB that threw for more TDs than INTs only twice in his career in a full season of play.

Allen will be the worst first round QB since EJ Manuel and will get whoever drafts him fired. Horrible QB prospect that high.

Not sure what you mean by "late risers" either. Derwin James is likely rated by every pundit/scout/et al ahead of Roquon Smith, so I am not sure of your point.

Charles Harris, Laremy Tunsil, and DeVante Parker were all highly regarded going into their final college season. Not exactly the mold of "late risers" as you mentioned.
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You do understand that the Wyoming team he played absolutely zero talent and not only have I mentioned that about Josh Allen but scouts, NFL network, and Mel/Mcshay have said the exact same thing. Wanna know how good he could be? Go watch the senior game from today. The DB’s were blanketing WR’s all day but he was the only one that was able to tear apart that secondary and outperformed Baker Mayfield by a mile.
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He was the third best QB in the game.

outperformed Baker Mayfield...sure...didn't outplay Lauletta or Mike White. So, cool time to compare.

QBs like Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, Blake Bortles et al. (Round 1 "small school" QBs) played with "zero talent" yet their statical output was incredible.

Josh Allen doesn't pass the eye test. He doesn't pass the statistic test.
 
As long as the ugly big nosed owner of the Fins pays the bills, the Fins will be the irrelevant team they have been for most of the past 3 decades.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Zbrod95 said:
BoxingRobes said:
Awsi Dooger said:
Chad Thomas was faring very well on day one until he was manhandled by the huge UTEP guard Hernandez. Not a fair fight physically. Of course, Thomas had plenty of company. Hernandez is a wide body who dominates his opponent more often than not, and he was having a great day on Tuesday. Probably the best player on either side.

Too bad Thomas missed the remainder of the week.

Per the Dolphins, I'm not convinced on Josh Allen but the criticism here is too harsh. He's hardly a no-chance tunnel vision winger type like Clausen or Hackenberg. Allen will look bad on a particular type of throw and then execute it perfectly the next time. He's going to be a guy who makes huge plays on some possessions and then strangely disappears for a possession or two.

I wouldn't trust him as early starter. Probably lots of forced picks. But there's no question he has more upside than Tannehill.

From the first time I saw Allen a couple of years ago he reminded me of a much larger and more talented version of Jake Plummer. I'll stick with that even though it is not a popular comparison. For as smart and agile and effective as Plummer always looked, his college completion percentage was in the mid 50s. Four consecutive years. He finished with a career number of 55.4% and the highest in any one season was barely above 57%. That's why I immediately thought of Plummer when Allen emerged in 2016. Allen runs smoothly like a larger version of Plummer and can buy time to create a passing lane. He also runs effectively when it's there. But it never equates to one impressive throw and drive after another. Hit and miss.

Of course, Allen has a far stronger arm than Plummer ever did. That's the intrigue.

I don't want a little guy like Roquan Smith, who was not even listed as a first rounder in the 2018 early mock drafts from last April or even the versions from September or October 2017. Late risers are sucker material. The Dolphins have succumbed far too often. Far preferable to take a guy like Derwin James, who probably would have been a first round pick in 2016 if eligible, based on his great freshman year alone. James was a 5 star recruit while Smith was borderline 3/4.

Florida State has several 5 star guys who along with Chad Thomas will be intriguing fits in this draft, like James, Sweat and Thomas. Probably somebody I'm forgetting.
Click to expand...

Good Brother Dooger...

Josh Allen is not good.

His statistical comps are horrendous. We're talking Jake Locker, Kyle Boller, Kevin O'Connell.

For a poster that often points out that one shouldn't choose an outlier, choosing Jake Plummer (a quarterback I was never high on, FWIW) seems shortsighted. It also should be a sign that under no circumstances do you draft this bum high. Plummer being your best case scenario...as QB that threw for more TDs than INTs only twice in his career in a full season of play.

Allen will be the worst first round QB since EJ Manuel and will get whoever drafts him fired. Horrible QB prospect that high.

Not sure what you mean by "late risers" either. Derwin James is likely rated by every pundit/scout/et al ahead of Roquon Smith, so I am not sure of your point.

Charles Harris, Laremy Tunsil, and DeVante Parker were all highly regarded going into their final college season. Not exactly the mold of "late risers" as you mentioned.
Click to expand...

You do understand that the Wyoming team he played absolutely zero talent and not only have I mentioned that about Josh Allen but scouts, NFL network, and Mel/Mcshay have said the exact same thing. Wanna know how good he could be? Go watch the senior game from today. The DB’s were blanketing WR’s all day but he was the only one that was able to tear apart that secondary and outperformed Baker Mayfield by a mile.
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He was the third best QB in the game.

outperformed Baker Mayfield...sure...didn't outplay Lauletta or Mike White. So, cool time to compare.

QBs like Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco, Carson Wentz, Blake Bortles et al. (Round 1 "small school" QBs) played with "zero talent" yet their statical output was incredible.

Josh Allen doesn't pass the eye test. He doesn't pass the statistic test.
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Yes he did. He had a moment in the game where he was 7-7 for 149 yards. He was heads and shoulders the best QB on that field. Did you even watch the game ? They couldn’t even move the ball without him at QB.

Another thing, You’re completely wrong in your comparisons. Carson Wentz had a linemen and a RB drafted/was a priority FA when he was drafted, Roethlisberger also had an RB and an O-lineman drafted. Then Blake Bortles had as 6th rounder at RB, a 1st rounder at WR, and a drafted CB/a couple of priority FA’s on D...you completely made that up and guessed on all these QB’s that played with “zero” talent.


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Guess Brian Hill and Chase Roullier didnt exist for Josh Allen, since everyone is saying Josh Allen played with zero talent.

Wyoming's defense was 9th in the nation. Theyll have a few defenders drafted over the next few years.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Guess Brian Hill and Chase Roullier didnt exist for Josh Allen, since everyone is saying Josh Allen played with zero talent.

Wyoming's defense was 9th in the nation. Theyll have a few defenders drafted over the next few years.
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Cool. Who’d he have to throw too?


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Zbrod95 said:
BoxingRobes said:
Guess Brian Hill and Chase Roullier didnt exist for Josh Allen, since everyone is saying Josh Allen played with zero talent.

Wyoming's defense was 9th in the nation. Theyll have a few defenders drafted over the next few years.
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Cool. Who’d he have to throw too?


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Who did Carson Wentz and Big Ben have to throw to?

It wouldnt have mattered if Allen had anyone to throw to. Hed throw it in the dirt or the 5th row.

Will bump this thread in a few years. Prepare your crow however youd like.
 
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For what it's worth, Berrios led the North in total yards: 4 receiving and 70 in punt returns. Pat Kirwan covered the game for Sirius NFL. He confirmed what has been written many times here. He said Berrios was a Bellichick type slot receiver like Wes Welker. Kirwan was high on Berrios and wanted the North to target him.
 
Zbrod95 said:
Ammok said:
miamicanephins said:
LOL. He's not terrible
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He's a QB that can't throw.

https://sports.yahoo.com/wyoming-qb-josh-allen-passes-eyeball-test-starts-throwing-025702572.html

miamicanephins said:
So you're telling me the fsu guy will be the difference maker?
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Nope, just your imagination. Never mention FSWho or anyone but Allen.
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Your theory has been debunked. He tore the opposing secondary up every time he played. It obvious now that the Wyoming team he had this year held him back.
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Come on man. You're way smarter than this. The Senior Bowl is just like the Pro Bowl where there are rules that restrict the defense and what they can do. i.e. they can't stunt the DL, can't bring pressure, have to be either 2 deep or 3 deep zone coverages, etc.

Allen put up numbers in a glorified scrimmage. He will test high in workouts, but when you turn on the film all that goes out the window. Taking him in the first 10 picks is a horrible horrible mistake and typically a reason for why we see the same teams up there year in and year out. They don't know what they are doing and listen to McShay and Kiper too much.
 
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