Hurricane23
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we have to take the 2 3 star guys people. i mean spots have get filled even if its not by a elite player.
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TheMatador
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We should sign 800 or 900, give or take a few dozen.
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Guess you weren't around during the Jimmy Johnson days...that would've been 2/3 of the class.
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Small class
LUcanesfan
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I remember the JJ era. JJ earned his stripes and built his reputation through winning. The "no-namers" he had were productive, but most importantly they were mostly from what Schnelly called "the state of Miami." JJ followed that model religiously and was successful in doing it.
Although college football has changed dramatically, there is no reason for Golden not to be successful by using the same recruiting model, earn his own stripes and win football games.
Never one to trash the coach but there seems to be a lot of good prospects out there. I don't get the two late takes this year that nobody else wanted. Those spots would be nice to have.
MdCanesFan
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I f*ck with your reporting and insight but **** bruh can we get a number!?.."small class" doesnt exactly give us a #..a small class can be considered 15-22..that's vague as **** though
So I'm confused, so with the recruits we already have signed how many more commitments are we taking? Also, what is your thought on accepting a commitment from Feder and Spence. I just do not get why we would sign an OT that does not even start for his high school. Yes he has good size but it seems like an experiment. Spence is productive but WR position is in our favor right now for some studs. Also, whats the deal with John Burt, does he really favor the canes but we are not showing him love?
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Agree, the only reason to take late additions should be if they will contribute right away. With reductions coming and our D in the state it's in, "maybes", "reaches", "JAGs", or "raw" players should be passed on. Taking those "Rudy" typed kids is only hurting. Regardless of how much toughness a kid has, if he doesn't produce on the field when it counts, he won't affect the team anyway, so why waste the effort?
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LUcanesfan
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Personally speaking, I would rather the staff take chances on more Derrick Griffins than Joe Browns...
My reasoning is that we're bound to get possibly 1-2 (academic issues) guys in every 4 years that could make a quicker impact on gameday than someone that may only be a roster-filler for next 4-5 years on the practice squad.
My reasoning is that we're bound to get possibly 1-2 (academic issues) guys in every 4 years that could make a quicker impact on gameday than someone that may only be a roster-filler for next 4-5 years on the practice squad.
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Does it really matter?
LUcanesfan
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When you're down 9 scholarships over the next 3 years, it does.
Revisionist history at its finest. The fans ripped Jimmy a new *** from the time he became HC until he finally won the National Championship. **** the biggest knock on him was he couldn't win the big game. Miami fans have always and will always be the smartest ******.
Coker seems to be the only HC Miami hired that the fans didn't rip apart. And that was because all he did ws win. It want until it was obvious he had killed the program that he got abused. Go figure...
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Unless Golden feels that he's wasting his time because Burt is in tally it would be hard to believe. Burt is a national wr recruit (#7) and Miami has offered.
With Riley's academic status up in the air and Phillips probably going to FSU it would be stupid to at least not try, especially if he's leaning our way (doubtful)... FSU can't get them all.
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Spot on. Most people on this board were in diapers when Jimmy got here.
Jimmy took a championship team and went 8-5. He had probably the hardest schedule in the history of college football that 1st year and our losses were close. He didn't win a bowl game until the National Championship.
Miami fans were trying to run his hillbilly *** out of town before his first year ended and wanted to burn him at the stake after that Fiesta Bowl loss to Penn State.
I really think Coker was a fine coach up until he and his staff started recruiting through websites instead of eyeballs.
We got all the 5 star divas and their cancer spread throughout the team.
Wasn't there also a lot of political infighting amongst the coaching staff? He ended up firing a boatload of guys and there was a large Shannon faction amongst the players. I have to give Coker his due. Won one NC. Got screwed out of another the next year. Whipped gator *** in a bowl game. People always say he only won with Butch's players, but a lot of Butch's players were also HiS players. Coker was the OC and helped recruit a lot of those guys for Butch.
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I'm not sure if the 'revisionist history' comment was aimed me, but every coach that came to Miami had issues while they were at Miami. Some coaches had talent to work with in the beginning and others did not. What I was trying to relay is that Schnelly had a successful recruiting model. However, keep in mind that the players that come still have to be coached properly to win games. Plus the caliber of good talent still have come into the program year after year to make the process work on a continued level.
In regards to Golden, the talent that he inherited was bare, but he is slowly but surely bringing the talent level back to a respectable level. I'm not going to truly judge him until next year. Why next year? 2015 will be the first year where every on the player roster will be linked to him and his staff. If Golden continues to stick to the 'state of Miami' recruiting model, coach the players up, and continue to bring in more talent, he should be able win games here at Miami.
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Of course it does. Last year when I worried about numbers, they worked out. The year before I didn't worry about numbers,but they still worked out. But then there was that one time about 10 years ago, I worried about them almost a year in advance, and they really worked out.
So yes. You worrying about the numbers will impact the future of the football team. Do not **** it up.
NorthFlaCane
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I wouldn't say the numbers worked out when we're still filling the class long after signing day. There are a lot of legitimately talented kids that we pass on because we don't think we'll make numbers and then we end up taking a kid that is less talented after signing day. How many local offensive lineman did we pass on because we were watching the numbers only to end up with our last 2 kids?
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Coach Golden recently said he expects a "full class" in 2015. It's the definition of "full class" that has us guessing. By ncaa standards, the max size of a class is 25, with no more than 85 total scholarships on the team. However, since we are on sanctions, we must reduce that number by at least one, making the number 24. However, we won't know how many recruits will be EEs, counting toward the 2014 class. Right now, I would work with 24 as the magic number.
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It doesn't work this way. Lets look at 3 schools (A, B, and C) which will each have room to count 4 EEs back to the previous year and each brings in 6 EEs. Each school has 23 more ships to offer under the 25 limit, but what about the 85 limit? School A will return 53 players, school B will return 55 and school C will return 61.
Case I: None of the schools are under sanctions.
School A signs 23 for Aug. and they all get in bringing their initial counter to 25, their class total to 29 (23+6) and their total ships to 82 (53+29). School B signs 23 bringing their totals to 25, 29 and 84. School C signs 18 bringing their totals to 20, 24 and 85.
Case II: All 3 schools are under sanctions of 2 ships, i.e., the max they can have on ship is 83.
School A can recruit the exact same way since their total is only 82. School B has to chop 1 off its totals, signing 22 and totals of 24, 28 and 83. School C would have to chop 2 off each of its totals by bringing in 16 and have totals of 18, 22, and 83.
The point here is that just because you are 5 down on the total does not mean that you are down 5 initial counters also. School A still used all 25 initial ships, school B suffered some collateral damage of 1 to its initial counter total and school C suffered 2 to its initial counter.
UM's sanctions said they were docked 9 ships over 3 years with reductions in each year. There was no mention of initial counter reductions. USC was mandated to have no more than 75 total and 15 initial each year.
With or without sanctions, there is no way UM has 25 ships for 2015. I think we will be around 83 guys this year and with 12 seniors, some loss due to NFL (Duke maybe), transfers, etc. of 3 or 4, but perhaps a similar reduction due to sanctions, UM will have around 15 ships for next year IMHO.