2015 Class: 22 commits so far...

[orange&green84]

If we have all these players you re making referrence to how do we allow a team such as virgina to put up 31points? Please help me with that one the coaches are not on the field yes we have a few good players and even less elite but 50% of our roster isnt filled with play makers if it was our loses wouldnt be double digit, if you can tell me different please do. Teams that have half a roster fill of play makers dont lose games by double digits

Horrible coaching.

 

[orange&green84]

1.never said anything about freshmen
2. FSU has 1 freshman at a critical positon but still has a heisman winner at QB the most important position and a bery good player at WR, so you cant compare.
3. Never said the coaches arent responsible but if you ever played a sport you would understand that coaches only can do so much its about the players also.
Last IDGAF about Golden its not Bout him im not defending him what i m saying is we do not have alot of play makers yet will they develop of course but as much as you try to go against what I m say still no one has answered my questions, HOW MANY? Also you cant say they have freshman and then say underclassmen those are two different levels of maturity and play ability.

What does this even mean? Every position on the field is critical, you fail at your job, and the whole scheme/play fails. I haven't kept up with FSU's roster. But they're playing Land and Rudolph (true frosh) at receiver regularly. Dalvin Cook is basically the starting RB as he's been burning into Williams' carries.

You could say the Canes aren't talented all you want, but a large portion of NFL scouts disagree with you. Stephen Morris is merely a small exception that you bring up. Personally, I wasn't surprised that he went undrafted and ended up on the practice squad.

 

[wooshdogg]

Ok so who are these players? And the FSu is playing only one freshmen player thats has truly contributed to the offense thats COOK those WR dont have the catches that Green has ... Sooooo they are not a good example as the other poster trie to use.... Now please explain other than bad coaching how does a team that has all this talent that you speak of lose by double digits its not just coaching ... You think all the past coaches that we ve had were the best ever? **** no the players played a huge role in that also

 

[FG305]

1.never said anything about freshmen
2. FSU has 1 freshman at a critical positon but still has a heisman winner at QB the most important position and a bery good player at WR, so you cant compare.
3. Never said the coaches arent responsible but if you ever played a sport you would understand that coaches only can do so much its about the players also.
Last IDGAF about Golden its not Bout him im not defending him what i m saying is we do not have alot of play makers yet will they develop of course but as much as you try to go against what I m say still no one has answered my questions, HOW MANY? Also you cant say they have freshman and then say underclassmen those are two different levels of maturity and play ability.

What does this even mean? Every position on the field is critical, you fail at your job, and the whole scheme/play fails. I haven't kept up with FSU's roster. But they're playing Land and Rudolph (true frosh) at receiver regularly. Dalvin Cook is basically the starting RB as he's been burning into Williams' carries.

Their starting LT is also a true freshman. He manhandled our Dline...

 

[wooshdogg]

1.never said anything about freshmen
2. FSU has 1 freshman at a critical positon but still has a heisman winner at QB the most important position and a bery good player at WR, so you cant compare.
3. Never said the coaches arent responsible but if you ever played a sport you would understand that coaches only can do so much its about the players also.
Last IDGAF about Golden its not Bout him im not defending him what i m saying is we do not have alot of play makers yet will they develop of course but as much as you try to go against what I m say still no one has answered my questions, HOW MANY? Also you cant say they have freshman and then say underclassmen those are two different levels of maturity and play ability.

What does this even mean? Every position on the field is critical, you fail at your job, and the whole scheme/play fails. I haven't kept up with FSU's roster. But they're playing Land and Rudolph (true frosh) at receiver regularly. Dalvin Cook is basically the starting RB as he's been burning into Williams' carries.

Their starting LT is also a true freshman. He manhandled our Dline...

Smh.... This is my point exactly....if your statement is true how does a true fros manhandle sr and jr lineman? ...: SN he was holding most of the game, go back and watch the game .

 

[orange&green84]

1.never said anything about freshmen
2. FSU has 1 freshman at a critical positon but still has a heisman winner at QB the most important position and a bery good player at WR, so you cant compare.
3. Never said the coaches arent responsible but if you ever played a sport you would understand that coaches only can do so much its about the players also.
Last IDGAF about Golden its not Bout him im not defending him what i m saying is we do not have alot of play makers yet will they develop of course but as much as you try to go against what I m say still no one has answered my questions, HOW MANY? Also you cant say they have freshman and then say underclassmen those are two different levels of maturity and play ability.

What does this even mean? Every position on the field is critical, you fail at your job, and the whole scheme/play fails. I haven't kept up with FSU's roster. But they're playing Land and Rudolph (true frosh) at receiver regularly. Dalvin Cook is basically the starting RB as he's been burning into Williams' carries.

Their starting LT is also a true freshman. He manhandled our Dline...

Smh.... This is my point exactly....if your statement is true how does a true fros manhandle sr and jr lineman? ...: SN he was holding most of the game, go back and watch the game .

Coaching.

 

[caneinpsl]

1.never said anything about freshmen
2. FSU has 1 freshman at a critical positon but still has a heisman winner at QB the most important position and a bery good player at WR, so you cant compare.
3. Never said the coaches arent responsible but if you ever played a sport you would understand that coaches only can do so much its about the players also.
Last IDGAF about Golden its not Bout him im not defending him what i m saying is we do not have alot of play makers yet will they develop of course but as much as you try to go against what I m say still no one has answered my questions, HOW MANY? Also you cant say they have freshman and then say underclassmen those are two different levels of maturity and play ability.

You said this above in regards to how we are handicapped with Freshmen on the field this year: "You mean TEAMS with an abundance of Sr and RSJrs yes you re right , this years team was the best we've had since 2010 but with Freshman at key positions ... We are SOL " As for play makers we are projected to have 6 players go in the top 100 of the upcoming draft. That's tied for second in the country behind only FSU. We have play makers. The coaches do NOT have our talent coached up. And unlike other teams we are not scheming around our limitations. Sure players have to execute on the field, but coaches are responsible for what is done, what is learned, and how that is executed. If coaches don't teach the right techniques, and have the right gameplan it limits you just as much as if you're talent deficient. How else can you explain blowing UNC out by over 30 points and then losing so badly to a UVA team that isn't even as good as the Heels??? We had your "play makers" agains UNC, but they weren't on the field in Charlottesville?????? Sorry homie, that's coaching.

 

[wooshdogg]

1.never said anything about freshmen
2. FSU has 1 freshman at a critical positon but still has a heisman winner at QB the most important position and a bery good player at WR, so you cant compare.
3. Never said the coaches arent responsible but if you ever played a sport you would understand that coaches only can do so much its about the players also.
Last IDGAF about Golden its not Bout him im not defending him what i m saying is we do not have alot of play makers yet will they develop of course but as much as you try to go against what I m say still no one has answered my questions, HOW MANY? Also you cant say they have freshman and then say underclassmen those are two different levels of maturity and play ability.

You said this above in regards to how we are handicapped with Freshmen on the field this year: "You mean TEAMS with an abundance of Sr and RSJrs yes you re right , this years team was the best we've had since 2010 but with Freshman at key positions ... We are SOL " As for play makers we are projected to have 6 players go in the top 100 of the upcoming draft. That's tied for second in the country behind only FSU. We have play makers. The coaches do NOT have our talent coached up. And unlike other teams we are not scheming around our limitations. Sure players have to execute on the field, but coaches are responsible for what is done, what is learned, and how that is executed. If coaches don't teach the right techniques, and have the right gameplan it limits you just as much as if you're talent deficient. How else can you explain blowing UNC out by over 30 points and then losing so badly to a UVA team that isn't even as good as the Heels??? We had your "play makers" agains UNC, but they weren't on the field in Charlottesville?????? Sorry homie, that's coaching.

So when a player fumbles, when a player misses a tackle thats directly in front of him or when a player jumps offsides or when a player drops a pick how about when a player grabs a face mask and gets a 15 yd pent. Are the coaches responsible for that? I just saying help me out homie... Im sure you have a great rebutal .... One more how about when the defensive linemen gets pushed back? Help ya boy out I want to know! Also I never said we were handicapped I just said we dont have enough play makers or players that have been in the system long enough to master it.

 

[caneinpsl]

You never answered my question. Were the "play makers" we had on the field against UNC not on the field against UVA???? Were the "play makers" we had on the field the first half of the game against FSU not on the field in the second half against the same FSU team???? The coaches don't make (or not make ) the plays. It's their job to make sure the players do though. If our players didn't have the talent we don't blow FSU out in the first half, and we don't blow UNC out for the game. Pure and simple.

 

[wooshdogg]

You never answered my question. Were the "play makers" we had on the field against UNC not on the field against UVA???? Were the "play makers" we had on the field the first half of the game against FSU not on the field in the second half against the same FSU team???? The coaches don't make (or not make ) the plays. It's their job to make sure the players do though. If our players didn't have the talent we don't blow FSU out in the first half, and we don't blow UNC out for the game. Pure and simple.

You re proving my point we dont have that abundance dog players that say I m not gonna lose regardless of what the coaches are doing the same players were out there ... But they either gave up or ran out of steam ... Do you honestly believe you re gonna let a team man handle you like we did just because the coaches didnt coach? Homeboy you must not have played any sports at this time of the year there isnt really much coaching going on its all heart after wk 4 or 5 and the tarheels are garbage cant use them as a example ....

 

[wooshdogg]

Im watching the game right now and have seen at least 4 missed tackles .... True story you cant allow someone to run pass you if you re squared up with that player .... Awesome tackle by Carter tho ...but a facemask .... Was that a coach or nah

 

[caneinpsl]

Players make mistakes all the time. Well coached teams overcome them. But you're too dug in on your position to budge from it. You really think we have 6-6 talent??? Really???? With ten players about to be drafted and 5 in the top 100??? Keep telling yourself that.

 

[rrose8]

Talent is great but if doesn't produce together who cares.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

Quit tarding up my thread

 

[jerzeycane]

When does this list begin to dwindle?

 

[wooshdogg]

Players make mistakes all the time. Well coached teams overcome them. But you're too dug in on your position to budge from it. You really think we have 6-6 talent??? Really???? With ten players about to be drafted and 5 in the top 100??? Keep telling yourself that.

"You are who your record says you are"....where are those 10 players that suppose to help us beat this Pitt team? Better yet out of the five who had a dominate night?

 

[caneinpsl]

Players make mistakes all the time. Well coached teams overcome them. But you're too dug in on your position to budge from it. You really think we have 6-6 talent??? Really???? With ten players about to be drafted and 5 in the top 100??? Keep telling yourself that.

"You are who your record says you are"....where are those 10 players that suppose to help us beat this Pitt team? Better yet out of the five who had a dominate night?

Liked on accident.

 

[User-4525]

This class finishes 25-30 in the 247 composite ranking. Although, if you look at the 247 composite average ranking of recruit in class we will probably be lower than than 25-30

 

[caneinpsl]

When does this list begin to dwindle?

The post I was trying to like that disappeared was a response to this, and hopefully the list dwindle because we have a new coach, and you always have recruiting turnover when you have a new coach. If we keep the current staff the list dwindles for more than the 2015 class.

 

[jerzeycane]

If we act quickly enough, we may be able to rescue it.