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WeBallinBoyz said:
You’re asking a question that has essentially no true answer. You’re implying that since taking a middling program for 20+ years to conference contender is rare (because the sample size is extremely small), Mario has the biggest uphill battle out of anyone in America.

Without saying it, you’re implying that Mariocre should be given ample amount of time to fix Miami, when all data shows quick fixes are extremely frequent. You were a vehement Manny apologist, and that goes for plenty of our predecessors before him.

Carry on.
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That's where we disagree. "Quick fixes" are exactly that. Temporary. A dude like PJ Fleck comes in, gets everyone excited for a couple years, then settles in to exactly what the program has always been. David Cutcliffe gets a good QB and has two good seasons, eventually leaving as a 3-9 coach. It's the ADHD culture. You want it now. So you want TCU year one results and don't care that TCU won't even play in a bowl in year two.
 
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crossover22[]_[] said:
Wake forest should never have a great season.

How many great seasons they have in the 70s through 2000?????
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I know that if Dave Clawson was a great coach he wouldn't need an NFL quarterback to stay within 26 points of Pitt. But that's what his record shows.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Yep!!!

Slurpers annoy the **** out of me. Its extremely obvious we are a poorly coached team. To anyone with functioning eyes and a iq above 50.
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And you think a guy who is 4-7 in his 10th year is a GREAT coach, so ease up on the IQ comments.
 
Dave Clawson with Hartman = Jim Grobe with Skinner. 11 wins with a great QB, .500 with everyone else.
 
WanderFranco said:
So Mario is an imbecile who shouldn't even be coaching at Killian. We got that point.

But who is the magic bullet? Who is the guy who will satisfy you with 10-12 win seasons, and how do you know? Because I've got a very long list of guys who "killed it with lesser talent" who ended up doing nothing in elite P5 football.
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He's an Oline Coach who doesn't have the fortitude to COACH a game against another coach and actually OUTCOACH HIM. He loses the chess match every time. Talent acquisition is his saving grace and it won't get him over the hump just like it never worked for Richt.

The best thing Greasy-sweatball-panicman can do is get the fuq out of the way and play the administrative role. Yet, he's too arrogant to see he's in over his **** head and respond in accountability.

What you people fail to realize is that MOST of us aren't upset at the record. That's face value and the equivalent of looking at a box score to judge the outcome of a game you didn't watch.

We are upset because of HOW we're losing. That's the difference between Mario and these other coaches. It's the nuance of how we lose with WHAT WE HAVE.

YOU DONT OWE MARIO **** bruh.. What do you gain from making all of these excuses and deflections? What's he paying you? It's weird. You can't simply admit he's a total fuq up in GameDay coaching and GameDay preparation? Like bruh. I'm still rooting for his success too. But a spade is a **** spade.
 
Rellyrell said:
R u fcking kidding me? Lmao

Thank u 4 for being a conscientious member of the benevolent imbecile crew.

No the FCK not, 95% of coaches have failed in year two.

Brian Kelly: inherited a 6-7 LSU team:
Went 10-4 in yr one, making it to the SECCG
Currently 8-3 as the #15 team in the nation
(3 losses: #5 FSU, #13 Ole Miss, #8 Bama)

Kalen DeBoer: inherited a 4-8 UW team
Went 11-2 in year 1
Currently 11-0 in the PAC-12 CG & in CFP hunt

Jon Summerall: inherited a 5-7 Troy team
Went 12-2 year 1
Currently 9-2 year 2

Brent Venables: technically inherited a 11-2 OU team
Went 6-7 year 1
Currently 9-2 in year 2 and #13 in the nation

Jerry f’ing Krill: inherited a 2-10 NM State team
Went 7-6 year 1
Currently 9-3 year 2 (just beat Auburn)

Rhett Lashlee: inherited a 8-4 SMU team
Went 7-6 year 1
Currently 9-2 year 2

You wanna talk about Kiffin?
Year 1: 5-5
Year 2: 10-3

I’m not going to even include guys like Lincoln Riley who inherited a 4-8 USC team, Sonny Dykes who inherited a 5-7 TCU team, nor will I remotely get in to the fact that Lanning completely flipped Mario’s roster and is having more success w/ his own players in year 2 than year 1.

****, I won’t get into the fact Mike Elko currently has a better 2 year trajectory over Cristobal despite not having ANY previous HC experience or the fact he took over a 3-9 Duke program. I’m not even including coaches who have taken over perennial sub .500 programs & have made them bowl eligible, which are high accomplishments by their standards.

There’s not one coach who has failed more based upon a team that’s inherited (7-5), resources given, salary, roster, schedule, than Mario Cristobal. He’s been an absolute train wreck of a hire, “thus far.” He could very well become the greatest HC in our history by next yr, & I still won’t throw him to the wolves until I see yr 3; BUT, u’re being disingenuous af trying to throw out a statement that’s completely false to excuse or justify the bull chit happening thus far.

And for the “technically” crowd who’s championing close losses; since when did we start providing cookies and cool points for close defeats?

-So I guess in 2004 we were “technically” Nat’l Champs since we only lost by 3 to UNC, lost in OT to Clemson, & only loss by 6 to a top 10 team, huh?

-So I guess in 2006, we were “technically” a 11 win team, huh? U know, since we only lost by 3 to a top 15 FSU team, we only lost by 7, 7, & 1 to back-to-back-to-back top 25 teams, huh?

-Maybe I need to rethink how Shannon, Golden, & Diaz were here since we’re now crowing Mario for keeping us in close games.

I literally can’t believe the fan base I was once so proud of b/c of how confident we were, are now slowly but surely becoming pussified, not wanting or expecting more.
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**** of a post.

Let's not forget 2021, Manny's last year though.

Got beat bad by Bama and Michigan State. Both ended with only two losses.

The other three losses (UVA, UNC, and FSU) we had were by a combined 8 points.

The way people are handing out close loss victories to Mario is absurd, pure lunacy. The talk with Manny that last year was how we were lucky to get 7 wins. This year, in those close games, we were unlucky and should have 9 or 10 wins.

No, the record is what it is. I expect the same level of thought applied to any coach. You are what your record says you are.

It ****es me off people giving Saint Mario a pass, but that wasn't extended to any of the coaches prior. The hypocrisy of it annoys me to no end.

I know he's not going anywhere anytime soon. To call his reign so far anything but a failure though is an outright rejection of reality.
 
Canezum5 said:
He's an Oline Coach who doesn't have the fortitude to COACH a game against another coach and actually OUTCOACH HIM. He loses the chess match every time. Talent acquisition is his saving grace and it won't get him over the hump just like it never worked for Richt.

The best thing Greasy-sweatball-panicman can do is get the fuq out of the way and play the administrative role. Yet, he's too arrogant to see he's in over his **** head and respond in accountability.

What you people fail to realize is that MOST of us aren't upset at the record. That's face value and the equivalent of looking at a box score to judge the outcome of a game you didn't watch.

We are upset because of HOW we're losing. That's the difference between Mario and these other coaches. It's the nuance of how we lose with WHAT WE HAVE.

YOU DONT OWE MARIO **** bruh.. What do you gain from making all of these excuses and deflections? What's he paying you? It's weird. You can't simply admit he's a total fuq up in GameDay coaching and GameDay preparation? Like bruh. I'm still rooting for his success too. But a spade is a **** spade.
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You keep saying the same things, and I said we get it. Mario is an imbecile who shouldn't be coaching at this level.

Did you see the rest of the post?
 
Wait so if Mario was left so little talent but has recruited really well the last two years why are we worse than when we were under Manny? Remember, Manny got fired for going 7-5. That’s literally our best case scenario this year.

Think about it. In year two of Mario, we’re hoping to get back to the level that got the last guy fired.
 
DTP said:
Wait so if Mario was left so little talent but has recruited really well the last two years why are we worse than when we were under Manny? Remember, Manny got fired for going 7-5. That’s literally our best case scenario this year.

Think about it. In year two of Mario, we’re hoping to get back to the level that got the last guy fired.
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Willie Taggart's teams went 5-7 and 6-8. Mike Norvell went 3-6 and in his second year went, you guessed it, 5-7.
 
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WanderFranco said:
You keep saying the same things, and I said we get it. Mario is an imbecile who shouldn't be coaching at this level.

Did you see the rest of the post?
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You're deflecting because you can't admit the obvious truth.

You ask me what coach? Every **** coach on that list @Rellyrell made. ****, maybe a coach that would, ya know, kneel the ball to close out a game? How bout that? Dude go spend time with your family. You're done here.

You think you have a leg to stand on criticizing and comparing coaches turning the likes of Duke and WF into competitive teams to Mario at Miami. That alone is egregious.

"Mike Elko is 6-5 2nd year at Duke. Regression"

Dude it's ***** Duke!!!!!! 6-5 isn't regression. Duke wasn't a top 10 team with grandiose expectations. That same 6-5 Duke team would dismantle us. Gtfoh.
 
Canezum5 said:
You're deflecting because you can't admit the obvious truth.

You ask me what coach? Every **** coach on that list @Rellyrell made. ****, maybe a coach that would, ya know, kneel the ball to close out a game? How bout that? Dude go spend time with your family. You're done here.

You think you have a leg to stand on criticizing and comparing coaches turning the likes of Duke and WF into competitive teams to Mario at Miami. That alone is egregious.

"Mike Elko is 6-5 2nd year at Duke. Regression"

Dude it's ***** Duke!!!!!! 6-5 isn't regression. Duke wasn't a top 10 team with grandiose expectations. That same 6-5 Duke team would dismantle us. Gtfoh.
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Most of the coaches on that list are at programs that have had immense success in recent years. They didn't need to clean up 20 years of failure.

So Mike Elko would win 10-12 games here on a consistent basis? He couldn't figure out how to score - one. single. point. - against Louisville, but he would have us back in the national mix?
 
WanderFranco said:
Most of the coaches on that list are at programs that have had immense success in recent years. They didn't need to clean up 20 years of failure.

So Mike Elko would win 10-12 games here on a consistent basis? He couldn't figure out how to score - one. single. point. - against Louisville, but he would have us back in the national mix?
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[BGCOLOR=rgb(245, 245, 245)]easily. Mike Elko takes a knee vs GT too. 🤷🏿‍♂️.[/BGCOLOR]

[BGCOLOR=rgb(245, 245, 245)]one thing Elko is NOT gonna do is lose the game for us. How bout that?[/BGCOLOR]
 
Canezum5 said:
[BGCOLOR=rgb(245, 245, 245)]easily. Mike Elko takes a knee vs GT too. 🤷🏿‍♂️.[/BGCOLOR]

[BGCOLOR=rgb(245, 245, 245)]one thing Elko is NOT gonna do is lose the game for us. How bout that?[/BGCOLOR]
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Easily? Oh this is going to be good. Remember this when Elko gets the job at a bigger program.
 
WanderFranco said:
So in 10 years, Wake has been able to have one great season only because of an elite quarterback, but "CLAWSON IS A GREAT COACH".

You prove my point better than I did. Clawson is a decent coach but is far from elite, and this proves it. Without a generational QB, he's just Wake Forest.
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If someone has to explain to you that Clawson is a good coach, I don't know what to tell you. I think he's also fine where he is and doesn't have aspirations for more.

Wake isn't supposed to have a winning season. They don't even recruit in the winning season stratosphere.

He's had 6 winning seasons at Wake in 10 years. All 6 came in the last 8 years.

Nobody has ever won 11 there until him. One QB doesn't make that happen on his own.
 
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SayWhat said:
If someone has to explain to you that Clawson is a good coach, I don't know what to tell you. I think he's also fine where he is and doesn't have aspirations for more.

Wake isn't supposed to have a winning season. They don't even recruit in the winning season stratosphere.

He's had 6 winning seasons at Wake in 10 years. All 6 came in the last 8 years.

Nobody has ever won 11 there until him. One QB doesn't make that happen on his own.
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Jim Grobe won 11 in 2006, coincidentally with a great QB. But you're right, Clawson is a good coach for that kind of role. But we still have cavemen here yelling for him every time this comes up.
 
Canezum5 said:
Dawg. You want us to dig up and bump all them dumb excuses you made for previous failed regimes? We ain't even gonna talk about " this going to be good" my guy.

We can show you how good it can get bruh. At ease.
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So we're back to "______ ________ would kill it here even though I gots nuthin to prove it".
 
BeastMode said:
Whatever man. Y’all cry for Mario to be fired for the next 3 years then cause **** ain’t changing with his job status.

Btw I wanted lane Kiffin but I support Mario and the program. He has 1 more year before I turn on him. Year 2 is too early but everyone has their own minds and opinions
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There is a world of difference between understanding Mario has another 3 seasons here minimum no matter what, and claiming Mario is succeeding, on track, or performing at the same level as a wholly made up "95% of coaches" in their first 2 years.
 
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