1984 Team

I've been playing the can you go 16-0 and one team that sticks out is the 1984 team. I was 3 years old so I don't remember much about the team except for the fact that one of the reasons we really didn't win more games was because Jimmy kept the previous staff's defensive coaches. For the real old heads here how good was that team and how good was WillIe Smith (TE)? He had 66 receptions and 852 yards in one season but you never hear his name mentioned with Cane greats. Also how good was Bernie that season with over 3600 passing yards in that era? I remember Bernie mostly with the Browns
It was generally a given that whomever won the UM-BC game was going to win the Hypesman that year. That’s how good Bernie was.

People forget that Bernie and Vinny were recruited in the same class. Vinny was faster, stronger, more athletic and threw a laser.

But Bernie beat him out for two years because Bernie had one thing Vinny didn’t have. A football IQ off the charts.
 
I've been playing the can you go 16-0 and one team that sticks out is the 1984 team. I was 3 years old so I don't remember much about the team except for the fact that one of the reasons we really didn't win more games was because Jimmy kept the previous staff's defensive coaches. For the real old heads here how good was that team and how good was WillIe Smith (TE)? He had 66 receptions and 852 yards in one season but you never hear his name mentioned with Cane greats. Also how good was Bernie that season with over 3600 passing yards in that era? I remember Bernie mostly with the Browns

Willie Smith was the real-deal at TE.
He was a smooth, athletic TE who would have been a legit pro were it not for a bad knee (or tibia?) injury that retired him.
This occurred during his redshirt senior season, and after what happened to him he was the poster boy for the risk of a NFL prospect sticking around for redshirt 5th year.
It came up as a reason often with the other players who left early in subsequent years.
The 1984 team was loaded with talent. People often forget the 1983 National Championship team had 60 something
freshmen and sophomores, so the 1984 team had ballers.
The exception being the OLine, who as dycane noted, was small.
We had problems keeping some of the local HS talent during the early 1980s plus some of the projected guys quit after a year or two in the early 1980s.
Some of the examples of local talent heading elsewhere being William Roberts (Carol City HS, OhioState),
Stefan Humphries (STA, Michigan) and Lomas Brown (Miami Springs, UF).
So the OLine consisted of converted Dlmen and underrecruited guys who OLine coach Christ Vagotis toughened up.
Vagotis was a legend at Killian HS and had played OL at Bama under the Bear.
Tough dude.
He did wonders with what he had to work with and I know of at least two of the players who almost quit the football program.
The problem with 1984 team was, as others cited, Schnellenberger leaving UM during summer.
JJ was reportedly 3rd or 4th choice.
The AD Sam Jankovich did not believe in promoting coaches to HC from existing staff.
He was a former college HC himself and he believed in hiring established HCs who would bring their coaches.
However, the timing was bad, so it was agreed that JJ could not bring his coaches until 1985 season.
Schnellenberger's defensive coaches ran 3-4 and 5-2 defenses and was not a fit for JJ's defensive scheme.
That offense though, was a machine.
Kosar didn't have the arm talent that Cam Ward has, but he was similar in running the offense insofar as accuracy and poise was concerned.
Eddie Brown was a stud WR and he loved to talk some serious smack. Lol.
The second WR was the late Stanley Shakespeare, and he was very productive.
The RBs were very good with Darryl Oliver, Highsmith, Warren Williams and Melvin Bratton who came on late in the season.
Willie Smith's backups were Charles Henry and Alfredo Roberts, both underrated too.

Back to the defense, it was a very bad 1984 season for them, but they were not lacking talent.
You had upperclassmen DLmen such as Willie Lee Broughton, Kevin Feagin and Joe Kohlbrand, who would play in the NFL and, of course, there was the late great Jerome Brown.

The schedule was a bit of a nightmare, playing Auburn at the Meadowlands, Florida at Tampa, and at Michigan - all
within 19-20 days. Then we had very good FSU, Purdue (beat OSU, Michigan, ND), Maryland and BC teams on the schedule.
That Florida team was stacked too. They probably had their best OLine and they had Kerwin Bell and three wonderful RBs
in Neal Anderson, Lorenzo Hampton and John L. Williams.
To quote a President, the schedule was "No Joke".

Anyways, this is my recollection.
I may have miss some things.
 
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Nice work MedleyCane!

Kosar maybe wins the Heisman if that Hail Mary doesn’t happen. Or at least comes very close.

Thanks Judge, and good point about Kosar and the Hail Mary, although I felt at the time that college football writers who voted for Heisman had a northeast bias.

Speaking of Hail Mary, I had the pleasure of meeting @k9cane during a tailgate before fsu-um game at the Orange Bowl. I think it was either 2006 or 2008. Anyways, lots of former players at tailgate and he happened to be chatting with Selwyn Brown and Darrell Fullington, who were part of the coverage in the end zone. I was tempted to mention that play but inner voice advised me against being "that guy". Lol.
 
Also before my time (I was 5) but from what I’ve read/seen, Howard kind of left the program with their proverbial ****s in their hands. They hired a guy nobody knew about or really wanted in Jimmy Johnson and Jimmy kind of inherited Howard’s coaching staff. The offense had to outscore everyone because the defense was *** and Bernie pretty much set every single passing record that stood for decades. After the season, which included blowing a 30 something point lead against Maryland and the iconic “Hail Flutie” game, Jimmy fired Tom Olivadotti and his defensive staff and brought in his own staff that made the Miami 4-3 the most feared defensive alignment in college football.

I know there’s a lot more details and I’m sure some of the older guys can fill us in. If you just look at the offensive statistics, Miami was ridiculously explosive and miles ahead of what college offenses were doing in 1984.
During this time, a girl in our office her fiance was on the UM staff (sorry cant remember his name). Anyway she related this story, that during one of Jimmy's early meetings with the staff, one of the coaches on the staff kept dropping his keys on a desk, as to show his disrespect to JJ.
It was not a good transition.
My own opinion, I don't know why they would be mad at JJ, it was Howard who left them high and dry.
 
This.

Too add, Olivadotti was super ****ed he didn't get the job and was public about it. He hated JJ and actively worked to sabotage him. Team culture was bad that year as a result.

If I recall correctly, keeping both Olivadotti and Stevens was a condition of JJ being offered the job given Jimmy was an unknown commodity relatively speaking.

Stevens, per my recollection accepted the HC decsion and was a team player.

Olivadotti showed a complete lack of professionalism. He was an *******

Olivadotti was a chump, ****ed off, miserable person. i remember posting my disagreement in a DOS-structure forum on ARPANET. it was tough to exchange info since you needed to know the DOS commands, but i had a cheat sheet
 
I've been playing the can you go 16-0 and one team that sticks out is the 1984 team. I was 3 years old so I don't remember much about the team except for the fact that one of the reasons we really didn't win more games was because Jimmy kept the previous staff's defensive coaches. For the real old heads here how good was that team and how good was WillIe Smith (TE)? He had 66 receptions and 852 yards in one season but you never hear his name mentioned with Cane greats. Also how good was Bernie that season with over 3600 passing yards in that era? I remember Bernie mostly with the Browns
We had an explosive offense and a defense that couldn't stop anyone even though there was lots of talent. A lot of that had to do with the previous coaches and the transition from a 3-4 to a 4-3. I was a little kid but at the BC Hail Flutie game and we just had no answer for them defensively. Mel Bratton was fantastic that game. Frustrating year and talk radio was like message boards, they wanted to run Jimmy out of town.
 
Willie Smith was the real-deal at TE.
He was a smooth, athletic TE who would have been a legit pro were it not for a bad knee (or tibia?) injury that retired him.
This occurred during his redshirt senior season, and after what happened to him he was the poster boy for the risk of a NFL prospect sticking around for redshirt 5th year.
It came up as a reason often with the other players who left early in subsequent years.
The 1984 team was loaded with talent. People often forget the 1983 National Championship team had 60 something
freshmen and sophomores, so the 1984 team had ballers.
The exception being the OLine, who as dycane noted, was small.
We had problems keeping some of the local HS talent during the early 1980s plus some of the projected guys quit after a year or two in the early 1980s.
Some of the examples of local talent heading elsewhere being William Roberts (Carol City HS, OhioState),
Stefan Humphries (STA, Michigan) and Lomas Brown (Miami Springs, UF).
So the OLine consisted of converted Dlmen and underrecruited guys who OLine coach Christ Vagotis toughened up.
Vagotis was a legend at Killian HS and had played OL at Bama under the Bear.
Tough dude.
He did wonders with what he had to work with and I know of at least two of the players who almost quit the football program.
The problem with 1984 team was, as others cited, Schnellenberger leaving UM during summer.
JJ was reportedly 3rd or 4th choice.
The AD Sam Jankovich did not believe in promoting coaches to HC from existing staff.
He was a former college HC himself and he believed in hiring established HCs who would bring their coaches.
However, the timing was bad, so it was agreed that JJ could not bring his coaches until 1985 season.
Schnellenberger's defensive coaches ran 3-4 and 5-2 defenses and was not a fit for JJ's defensive scheme.
That offense though, was a machine.
Kosar didn't have the arm talent that Cam Ward has, but he was similar in running the offense insofar as accuracy and poise was concerned.
Eddie Brown was a stud WR and he loved to talk some serious smack. Lol.
The second WR was the late Stanley Shakespeare, and he was very productive.
The RBs were very good with Darryl Oliver, Highsmith, Warren Williams and Melvin Bratton who came on late in the season.
Willie Smith's backups were Charles Henry and Alfredo Roberts, both underrated too.

Back to the defense, it was a very bad 1984 season for them, but they were not lacking talent.
You had upperclassmen DLmen such as Willie Lee Broughton, Kevin Feagin and Joe Kohlbrand, who would play in the NFL and, of course, there was the late great Jerome Brown.

The schedule was a bit of a nightmare, playing Auburn at the Meadowlands, Florida at Tampa, and at Michigan - all
within 19-20 days.
Then we had very good FSU, Purdue (beat OSU, Michigan, ND), Maryland and BC teams on the schedule.
That Florida team was stacked too. They probably had their best OLine and they had Kerwin Bell and three wonderful RBs
in Neal Anderson, Lorenzo Hampton and John L. Williams.
To quote a President, the schedule was "No Joke".

Anyways, this is my recollection.
I may have miss some things.
IT was less than 19-20 days. We played Auburn in the Kickoff Classic an Aug 27. Six days later, Florida on Sept 1. A week Later Michigan on Sept 8. All on the road.

The Florida game was played at a "neutral site" in Tampa because the UF coach Charlies Pell got ****y assed because Miami had more home games than Florida because a Florida home game was cancelled back in World War II. He threatened to cancel the series crying that it was unfair. Hence, we played one of our home games in Tampa. Another reason to hate them.

They cancelled anyhow.
 
IT was less than 19-20 days. We played Auburn in the Kickoff Classic an Aug 27. Six days later, Florida on Sept 1. A week Later Michigan on Sept 8. All on the road.

The Florida game was played at a "neutral site" in Tampa because the UF coach Charlies Pell got ****y assed because Miami had more home games than Florida because a Florida home game was cancelled back in World War II. He threatened to cancel the series crying that it was unfair. Hence, we played one of our home games in Tampa. Another reason to hate them.

They cancelled anyhow.

Good stuff on the Florida game at a "neutral" site.
The scheduling was horrible.
Even if we didn't have our coaching philosophy issues on defense, we would probably have lost
multiple games with that brutal schedule.
 
Thanks Judge, and good point about Kosar and the Hail Mary, although I felt at the time that college football writers who voted for Heisman had a northeast bias.

Speaking of Hail Mary, I had the pleasure of meeting @k9cane during a tailgate before fsu-um game at the Orange Bowl. I think it was either 2006 or 2008. Anyways, lots of former players at tailgate and he happened to be chatting with Selwyn Brown and Darrell Fullington, who were part of the coverage in the end zone. I was tempted to mention that play but inner voice advised me against being "that guy". Lol.

It's interesting, those guys will actually talk about that play, not that it's their favorite thing to bring up. My view is that since it came in a season where it was the 3rd or 4th loss of that season -- and not one that cost UM a national title -- I think it makes it easier to discuss

People can say whatever they want about that era of Miami Hurricanes, but Ive found most of them to be extremely good natured individuals
 
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