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14.1% Postgame Win Expectancy for Indiana

MikeyCanez said:
Blame game just from my view:

- 87's blocking effort on that punt...of course

- Beck wasn't very good. I don't think he was very good in the entire playoffs, frankly. I don't think he was truly BAD, but I don't think he was a difference-maker, especially tonight. Just cannot drive the ball down field at all.

- Our secondary was the walking wounded out there. Blame O'Connor if you want, but the guy was healthy and fighting. No Frederique or Brown made an impact.

- Mario's decision to kick the field goal in the first half. I get it, we want points, but that was way too conservative.

- Penalties

I sure as **** am not blaming Shannon Dawson though. We weren't great in the first half, but he was in his bag in the second half and is trying to scheme up an offense without a deep threat or a QB that can throw the deep ball.
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I also don’t “blame” Dawson for the loss, but saying he was great in half the game means he failed at half his job. Fact is our whole coaching staff from Mario to Heatherman to Dawson all came out scared. They believed the hype and at halftime they finally realized Indiana wasn’t the best team of all time. That’s when they got back to doing what they should have done the whole game.
 
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PIPO said:
I thought our DBs didn’t great job.

I feel like in the flow of how our front was playing, we needed to play more bump and run. Mendoza found success hitting the receivers quick when they had the space. When we manned them up from the line, their offense struggled.
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Tough to do a great job when you are down 2.5 of your best corners (Frederique clearly hobbled). That is why I am not going to blame O'Connor. Guy was healthy all season and fighting his *** off. He didn't have his best game but he's young. He will be back.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I also don’t “blame” Dawson for the loss, but saying he was great in half the game means he failed at half his job. Fact is our whole coaching staff from Mario to Heatherman to Dawson all came out scared. They believed the hype and at halftime they finally realized Indiana wasn’t the best team of all time. That’s when they got back to doing what they should have done the whole game.
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Dawson's disaster class is obvious to all.

Heatherman, whom I love as our DC, had a terrible game. Yes ,17 points is great BUT time of possession killed us. We allowed a lot of 3rd and very long first downs and the Mendoza 4th down QB draw was obvious to everyone. Completely unprepared and, as this poster says, SCARED.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I also don’t “blame” Dawson for the loss, but saying he was great in half the game means he failed at half his job. Fact is our whole coaching staff from Mario to Heatherman to Dawson all came out scared. They believed the hype and at halftime they finally realized Indiana wasn’t the best team of all time. That’s when they got back to doing what they should have done the whole game.
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Think Heatherman was protecting our defense on the outside with our shaky CB situation. Unfortunately they were ready for it immediately and used it to take away our biggest advantage which was our pass rush. I think in general his strategy was fine but we kept missing tackles.

We really missed Damari this game and I like him a lot less than most on this board, but we needed big physical CBs in this game. When Lucas was back in it made sense to press but even then, credit to IU to keep adjusting.

Our issue was that we didn’t play a clean game from a penalties and tackling standpoint and Dawson did in fact get mind ****ed in the first half.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I think Dawson, and our whole staff, was very surprised how well they fit the run in the first half. I was as well. At the end of the day, you're almost always going to dance with the girl you brought. We bullied A&M, Taint, and Ole Miss. They thought they could do the same to Indiana, and why wouldn't you? But they proved in the first half they were better up front than those 3.
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We had to know they'd focus on what we did best- run inside- and force Downs Syndrome Beck to throw. Dawson, like a fish seeing a shiny hook, jumped at the chance to show how smart he was and was fooled( not hard to do) into throwing 2 out every 3 plays.

Cignetti is only " smart" in that he's not a ******. just be smarter than the fools you coach against, and he sure did that.
 
We were closer than people give us credit for. If that FG hadn't bounced off the uprights, it's a 3pt game going into our final drive. It changes the playcalling when just getting into FG range can sent it to OT.

Yeah it's entirely possible that Beck still throws an int to end it. But it's also possible that we send it to OT.

All because a FG attempt was 6 inches off.
 
MikeyCanez said:
Tough to do a great job when you are down 2.5 of your best corners (Frederique clearly hobbled). That is why I am not going to blame O'Connor. Guy was healthy all season and fighting his *** off. He didn't have his best game but he's young. He will be back.
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I had a typo! I fixed it - I thought they did a great job.

Frédérique played a Herculean type of game, IMO!

I agree with everything you said.
 
SCarolina Ibis said:
We were closer than people give us credit for. If that FG hadn't bounced off the uprights, it's a 3pt game going into our final drive. It changes the playcalling when just getting into FG range can sent it to OT.

Yeah it's entirely possible that Beck still throws an int to end it. But it's also possible that we send it to OT.

All because a FG attempt was 6 inches off.
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I think the entire premise of this thread is not only were we close, but we should've won the game. That's what has me sick. And it's kind of crazy to say in a game where we never led, but we controlled more of that game than they did.

It really was the tale of two halves...they won the first one 10-0, and we won the 2nd one 21-10. Problem is, we gave them 7 on a blocked punt. We were very, very close. And that's what has me sick.

42 yards away from a natty.
 
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NC_Canes_11 said:
I also don’t “blame” Dawson for the loss, but saying he was great in half the game means he failed at half his job. Fact is our whole coaching staff from Mario to Heatherman to Dawson all came out scared. They believed the hype and at halftime they finally realized Indiana wasn’t the best team of all time. That’s when they got back to doing what they should have done the whole game
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I disagree, sometimes the answer is simpler and in this case, the country's best rushing defense stopped us early and we just do not have the weapons or the quarterback to win 1-on-1 in the passing game.

You could argue that Dawson should have been scheming guys open earlier, but our offense was always at its best when it could run the ball effectively and we could not do that in the first half.
 
MikeyCanez said:
I disagree, sometimes the answer is simpler and in this case, the country's best rushing defense stopped us early and we just do not have the weapons or the quarterback to win 1-on-1 in the passing game.

You could argue that Dawson should have been scheming guys open earlier, but our offense was always at its best when it could run the ball effectively and we could not do that in the first half.
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So our OC didn’t have an answer once Plan A was stopped. That sounds even worse for Dawson than what I said.
 
dirtyred786 said:
Our offense and defense both played well enough to win. However, there are three phases of football. We did not get it done on special teams and that cost us the game.
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Which is why I love it when we target and land K, P, LS, etc. I'd also love to have a ST Coach, a real one, ala Beamer.
 
It's the real world, not a video game. Our defense is going to give up a few 3rd and 4th downs, just like their defense will. We are playing the Heisman trophy winner. Few teams had cracked their defense, it took Dawson 2 quarters but he figured it out. Not a problem with that. That's the flow of the game and complimentary football. Both teams are feeling each other out, defense is keeping Heisman winner Mendoza in check. Only giving up 10 pts in the half is a **** of a job on defense. I agree it looked bleak at halftime but Dawson earned his paycheck in the 2nd half. Miami outscored them 21-10. Dawson found a way to get 3 TDs on the board against one of the best, most disciplined defenses in cfb!

THE SINGLE BIGGEST REASON WE LOST WAS THE BLOCKED PUNT.

Not heatherman, not Dawson, not Cristobal.

Offenses will sputter and fail, defenses will play too soft, too tight, etc. There will be momentum shifts. QB overthrows. Even the occasional missed FG. All that is baked into every game.

But the one thing that is absolutely backbreaking and can't be planned for is botched special teams blocked punt. Miami didn't have punt blocked the entire season. But of course it has to happen in the championship game.

Everyone did their job except special teams and that's why we aren't celebrating today.
 
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U2Cane said:
Dawson's disaster class is obvious to all.

Heatherman, whom I love as our DC, had a terrible game. Yes ,17 points is great BUT time of possession killed us. We allowed a lot of 3rd and very long first downs and the Mendoza 4th down QB draw was obvious to everyone. Completely unprepared and, as this poster says, SCARED.
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bruh you are out of your mind. Cignetti is billed as the product of a disgusting menage a tois between Nick Saban, Albert Einstein, and Anton Chigurh.

He was supposed to coach circles around UM. Miami beat Indy in 2 of 3 phases of the game- we had a better offense and a better defense over 4 quarters. We lost because of one of the biggest special teams blunders you will ever see. Miami was in punt safe, Indy wasn’t even trying to rush the punter, but Bauman let a dude walk past him unblocked. That was the ballgame.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
Was already too late. Defense was worn down and couldn’t get off the field in the 4th to capitalize on it
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I guess? Sorta seems like it would have been enough points if we don't field a punt inside the 10-yard-line and then punt the ball directly into Kamara's arm.

He wasn't perfect but we can have a LITTLE continuity on a coaching staff coming off a national championship appearance?
 
U2Cane said:
Dawson's disaster class is obvious to all.

Heatherman, whom I love as our DC, had a terrible game. Yes ,17 points is great BUT time of possession killed us. We allowed a lot of 3rd and very long first downs and the Mendoza 4th down QB draw was obvious to everyone. Completely unprepared and, as this poster says, SCARED.
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This is the most insane thing I’ve read on a board full of lunatics.
 
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