10yr Review (2012 - 2022) 5* to All Pro

[Brooklyndee]

It’s interesting that the positions with the highest correlation for success are also the ones with the most reliance on physical skill (DL, RB, DB, WR) and positions that require FBI really have a high bust rate.

Then there’s the OL; lmao.

Tying this back to Miami’s recruiting philosophy (or at least what it appears to be moving toward) is

Invest heavy in high school recruits at DL, WR, and RB. Im not adding DB on purpose. I don’t know what the **** is going on there.

A mix of evals and high-end talent at LB and OL.

Avoid high $ acquisitions at QB from high school and depend on evals. An interesting test will come quickly in this space. Nickel is going to command a high NIL. Since it is an eval by Miami already; will they pay it? The answer is yes, but I wanted to illustrate that these aren’t hard and fast rules.

Soooo I guess we just pretend like the Rashada stuff never happened... k.

 

[Ghandi]

Soooo I guess we just pretend like the Rashada stuff never happened... k.

No, it did happen.

What of it?

 

[Brooklyndee]

No, it did happen.

What of it?

Avoid high $ acquisitions at QB from high school and depend on evals. An interesting test will come quickly in this space. Nickel is going to command a high NIL. Since it is an eval by Miami already; will they pay it? The answer is yes, but I wanted to illustrate that these aren’t hard and fast rules.

Is it now the recruiting rule because we didn't land(even though I assumed you had some background access that would've let you know how far along we were with especially railoa, but sayin as well.)a high profile big money qb last year? Because as you just acknowledged with Rashada, he was definitely a high $ qb from high school in last class. The fact he fell for the uf games(which has them in ncaa crosshairs)and then came crawling back to us after him and his mother talked **** had nothing to do with our part. Year #1 Mario didn't have any time to go after any high end qbs. So my only point kind sir is maybe it was just an exception. I felt the need to point that out because far too much of our fanbase on here seems to think Mario either has no value in high end qbs or cbs or he simply chooses not to recruit them. No jabs at you. Just pointing that out for the people who will be far too quick to run with that narrative.

 

[Ghandi]

Is it now the recruiting rule because we didn't land(even though I assumed you had some background access that would've let you know how far along we were with especially railoa, but sayin as well.)a high profile big money qb last year? Because as you just acknowledged with Rashada, he was definitely a high $ qb from high school in last class. The fact he fell for the uf games(which has them in ncaa crosshairs)and then came crawling back to us after him and his mother talked **** had nothing to do with our part. Year #1 Mario didn't have any time to go after any high end qbs. So my only point kind sir is maybe it was just an exception. I felt the need to point that out because far too much of our fanbase on here seems to think Mario either has no value in high end qbs or cbs or he simply chooses not to recruit them. No jabs at you. Just pointing that out for the people who will be far too quick to run with that narrative.

They were also ready to pay Air Nolan’s quite a bit of money last year too before he wound up at OSU.

Mario values high-end talent.

That being said, I see the inconsistency in the fluff the Hecht has been handing out.

I’ll just say Miami is in the talent acquisition business as long as it makes business sense. If Nickel comes later this year and asks for $1M per, Miami would rather spend that on a proven portal QB.

That’s how I see it.

 

[Brooklyndee]

They were also ready to pay Air Nolan’s quite a bit of money last year too before he wound up at OSU.

Mario values high-end talent.

That being said, I see the inconsistency in the fluff the Hecht has been handing out.

I’ll just say Miami is in the talent acquisition business as long as it makes business sense. If Nickel comes later this year and asks for $1M per, Miami would rather spend that on a proven portal QB.

That’s how I see it.

I respect your opinion. I know for a fact we're VERY HIGH on nickel. I can't foresee any issue with him outside of if he chooses to go elsewhere. Strongly doubt that will be a result of nil though. I see some inconsistencies as well.

 

[ddann]

dumb question who actually assigns the star rating is it like one dude or is it a computer program?

BCS computers.

 

[Lance Roffers]

I’m the furthest thing from a star *****, but the data is piling up and is becoming insurmountable at this point.

Top rated classes - more often than not - lead to CFP and Championships.

The issue is identifying and understanding the confounding variables.

It’s a difficult question to unwind.

 

[canes732]

I was going to post this in Nickel thread, but it applies here too.

If a HS player only played HS ball and some winter/spring sport but didn't do any camps or 7v7, will that negatively impact their ranking since they're not "visible" to the recruiting scouts?

I'm just thinking if a kid who had very good traits, winner at the HS level and athletic in multiple sports. Would he be undervalued and thus a gem because 247/Rivals aren't getting eyes to "properly evaluate" him.

Case by case basis Booker Pickett is the clear example. He camped and was super productive in HS. Wasn’t until he absolutely dominated All-Star games the services had to respect him and rate him better

 

[Disgustipated]

I remember watching something on MLB scouting years ago. They said scouts dug back to HS and earlier to see what kids played multiple sports vs those that only played baseball year-round. Scouts preferred the kids that played—I believe—3+ sports because it developed different muscles, different reflexes, and their brain processing. These kids also had healthier careers because they properly developed all their muscles instead of overworking the same ones over and over (particularly pitchers).

I'd be curious if anyone has done that study with NFL and CFP kids. Do QBs that played multiple sports pre-college have a higher success rate? Has it mattered at all?

Playing multi sports has always produced better athletes so I have always wondered why over the last 20yrs have adults steered all the kids to play one sport all year round? Ahhh thats right, huge money grab in all these club teams that have nothing to do with actually producing better players

 

[Swampcity]

The ranking system that 247 uses is supposed to be relative to their projected draft position. Sometimes, that's the case as they'll refuse to rank a clear 5 star talent as a 5 star player because of things like measurements. If Rueben Bain was 6'5" he would have been a consensus top 5 player instead he was a 4 star because he's 6'2". It's also why you don't see a ton of 5 star guys at non-premier positions like guard or non-edge linebacker. It's also why kickers never get more than 3 stars even if they're the best kicking prospect in a generation.

I don't particularly care for that system though because I want Miami to sign the best college players. I don't care if they don't have ideal pro potential. I'll take 5'9" un draftable D'Eriq King 10/10 over 6' 5" pro prospect Kyle Wright. One guy was an All American quality college player, the other was trash.

Then there's the whole phenomenon of guys who weren't particularly great college players but have had great professional careers. Sometimes, they're late bloomers. Sometimes they didn't play in systems that showed their talent. Sometimes, they played for terrible coaches and never got the development. ****, sometimes it's because the NFL is so different than college that a guy's skills translate better to the pro game than college. Tom Brady was a very average college player. So was Josh Allen. Gus Edwards is a much better NFL running back than he ever was at UM or Rutgers. Trying to predict NFL draft positions of 17 year old kids is near impossible. Even some "100% can't miss" guys still never make it.

Good stuff man.