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[RoboCane]

Could it be that Martínez is better in pass pro?

Anything is possible as to the decision for him getting so many touches. It could be them trying to get him to have a break out game or pass pro or caveman football style. .

I’m not a coach. Nor do I claim to be one but I think you should at least split the carries with the quicker back in the first half then maybe lean on the defernse with the bigger backs in the second half. I’m sure Allen would’ve got a few more yards on carries because of his vision and how fast he hits the hole. JMO

 

[flips]

Formation wise are we diverse? I don’t rewatch games so for those that do can see if we predominantly run out of bunch/tight formations? Also seems we always run motion into the line on runs. High probability of me just thinking they is the case.

In VT game we motioned the offset TE (who is usually Arroyo) 10 times (1 may have just been fixing a misalignment). When he motioned from outside 1 tackle to somewhere else behind the OL we ran 100% of the time (7/7). When he motioned to the complete opposite side of the field we threw 66% of the time (2/3). One was the 40+ yarder up the sidline.

It's definitely a tendency we need to break. During the USF game they got a TFL when their defender who was responsible for Arroyo just ignored him, sold out and fired into a gap on a Fletcher run. I do remember us hitting the offset TE in the flats a couple of times earlier this year on play action, but don't remember if he was in motion pre snap. Hopefully we see a playfake off that motion against Cal and we leak Arroyo out. To Arroyo's credit he did a much better job blocking off that motion against VT, but the RBs decided to cut back away from TE block (Lyle once and Martinez a few times) too much when we actually had it blocked pretty well. But yeah if you're running 100% of the time into a heavy box out of condensed formation it's gonna make it easier for the defense to stop it. Gotta make them respect the threat of a pass out of that action.

Good eye,.

 

[407cane]

#1 offense in America in yards per game against FBS teams

#1 in America in YPP against FBS teams

#11 in the country in yards per carry against FBS teams

but because the OP doesn't like the way our run plays look, we should blow it all up

 

[jmiller]

The run game is Mario run game, Dawson is tasked with marrying that with his pass game. I forgot who broke it down but the run percentages matched what we did the year prior to Dawson than what Dawson was doing at Houston..

Don't listen to those people, its Dawson’s run game, here watch and learn. Same stuff we see here

 

[ristwasdown]

#1 offense in America in yards per game against FBS teams

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#1 in America in YPP against FBS teams

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#11 in the country in yards per carry against FBS teams

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but because the OP doesn't like the way our run plays look, we should blow it all up

Tell me what our median run per play is excluding qb scrambles. Don't give a **** about the other teams.

I think most people's concerns are around people respecting a steady run game.

 

[407cane]

Tell me what our median run per play is excluding qb scrambles. Don't give a **** about the other teams

do qb run plays not count for other teams?

why are you so obsessed with *****ing about the run game when we are:

1) getting yards on the ground when needed the most - have we ever been stuffed when needing a first down and/or on the goal line? - i can't think of a single instance

2) moving the ball at absolute will at a higher clip than anyone in the country



are we trying to be army, or are we trying to be the best offense?

 

[Brains]

Throw the ball.

 

[ristwasdown]

do qb run plays not count for other teams?

why are you so obsessed with *****ing about the run game when we are:

1) getting yards on the ground when needed the most - have we ever been stuffed when needing a first down and/or on the goal line? - i can't think of a single instance

2) moving the ball at absolute will at a higher clip than anyone in the country



are we trying to be army, or are we trying to be the best offense?

How many times do i have to respond to you that national championship caliber teams can run the ball sucessfully and i dont mean random qb scrambles and 91 yard runs vs ball state in the fourth. Being able to run at people makes things ten times easier on your hiesman caliber qb.

Our run game sucks and I'll stand by that. I've said a million times thank God for cam.

I'm not worried about being the #1 offense whilst having to come back and beat VT. Hawaii has been the number one offense several times in the last 3 decades.

Watch our drives in the 3rd quarter vs VT and that will tell you why being able to run the ball for 4 qtrs matters.

Watch the last ten national champions.

 

[407cane]

How many times do i have to respond to you that national championship caliber teams can run the ball sucessfully and i dont mean random qb scrambles and 91 yard runs vs ball state in the fourth. Being able to run at people makes things ten times easier on your hiesman caliber qb.

Our run game sucks and I'll stand by that. I've said a million times thank God for cam.

I'm not worried about being the #1 offense whilst having to come back and beat VT.

Watch our drives in the 3rd quarter vs VT and that will tell you why being able to run the ball for 4 qtrs matters.

you can respond as many times as you'd like, it doesn't mean you're right

Michigan was ranked #52nd in the country last year in yards per carry

trying to cover your baseless premise by saying that our big plays don't matter and the remainder is what should be judged is just stupid

 

[M3N]

Ya'll wanted an air raid, and Mario gave it to you

That’s fine but doesn’t change the fact we cant blow open a lane.

Turn on any other football game besides Miami. We are trash in the run game and it’s been that way since day 1.

The concepts are stale. And it’s only a matter of time till teams figure out our pass game.

You need to be able to run the ball. We’ve been very fortunate with Cams ability and sure handed Restrepo/horton on 3rd and longs.

 

[flips]

#1 offense in America in yards per game against FBS teams

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#1 in America in YPP against FBS teams

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#11 in the country in yards per carry against FBS teams

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but because the OP doesn't like the way our run plays look, we should blow it all up

Yeah the constant refrain here that our run offense is turrible is pretty misplaced. We averaged 5ypc last year which was the best we've done in the last 20 years but for a year or two with Richt. We've been an absolutely dog**** running team for decades and we're not anymore - we're actually pretty good at! It looks different from what nearly every other team does, and the criticism that we lack explosive running plays is valid, but we have been consistently effective running the ball under Mario post Gattis.

 

[ristwasdown]

you can respond as many times as you'd like, it doesn't mean you're right

trying to cover your baseless premise by saying that our big plays don't matter and the remainder is what should be judged is just stupid

It's not an opinion. But I digress. Our run game continues like it has and we don't win the acc, let alone look respectable in the CFB. Hoping the last 10-15 years of CFB results are wrong and all we need is Cam Ward. Keep posting stat sheets.

 

[Cane44]

Ya’ll act like we cant do all the looks. Yes keep the monster passing attack going. Yes, bruise the line power style with martinez/fletcher, and for gods sake YES we can get more creative with speed backs Lyle, Ajay and CJ. VT ran some super quick shovel to the RB and i was like wtf cant we do that???

 

[hoops156]

In CF, 4.3 is bad. Should be over 5. I was hoping for over 6 which is his career average up until he ran in this offense. Regardless, we run well enough situationally, but man am I praying for some easy looks for these RBs against Cal.

hard to run when its a tight box. we use no creativity. an outside run would be nice. some misdirection, a counter, anything. we just hand it off and go straight in the back of the middle of the OL for nothing.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I will say this, Martinez look like he came out in the second half with a little more juice. I can’t be sure, but it seemed more like an effort thing. Or maybe intent to get upfield. Not sure what to make of that.

But it was something I noticed, regardless of playcalling.

I noticed this as well, hitting the hole harder, pause, . To me fletcher had been running better but feel like need to keep feeding Martinez.

 

[E1k]

The run game is Mario run game, Dawson is tasked with marrying that with his pass game. I forgot who broke it down but the run percentages matched what we did the year prior to Dawson than what Dawson was doing at Houston..

Until he does this we will have to hope cam is heisman level

 

[E1k]

In VT game we motioned the offset TE (who is usually Arroyo) 10 times (1 may have just been fixing a misalignment). When he motioned from outside 1 tackle to somewhere else behind the OL we ran 100% of the time (7/7). When he motioned to the complete opposite side of the field we threw 66% of the time (2/3). One was the 40+ yarder up the sidline.

It's definitely a tendency we need to break. During the USF game they got a TFL when their defender who was responsible for Arroyo just ignored him, sold out and fired into a gap on a Fletcher run. I do remember us hitting the offset TE in the flats a couple of times earlier this year on play action, but don't remember if he was in motion pre snap. Hopefully we see a playfake off that motion against Cal and we leak Arroyo out. To Arroyo's credit he did a much better job blocking off that motion against VT, but the RBs decided to cut back away from TE block (Lyle once and Martinez a few times) too much when we actually had it blocked pretty well. But yeah if you're running 100% of the time into a heavy box out of condensed formation it's gonna make it easier for the defense to stop it. Gotta make them respect the threat of a pass out of that action.

Good eye,.

100% this

We keep tipping teams when we’re running, so when the run blocking is already mid it becomes worse when they know whats coming.

Dawson and a bunch of OCs not just him do pointless motions, they motion without any purpose.

He needs to use more space, use more motion,shifts,pulls to create a numbers advantage. Make more of the runs RPOs by tagging them with a hitch, bubble,slant/glance..put defenders in conflict

 

[ristwasdown]

hard to run when its a tight box. we use no creativity. an outside run would be nice. some misdirection, a counter, anything. we just hand it off and go straight in the back of the middle of the OL for nothing.

I'm of the opinion zone scheme would fit 3/4 of our backs better. With that said, and our scheme we need more power/pulling.

We've looked pretty decent at times. With the splits and scheme, no reason why we cant include much more power running. Our OL can run. Maguinoa is a wrecking ball. We've done it at time but for some reason much prefer duo and inside zone.

I will say, I'm one of the loudest about our run game.

The only refreshing thing is we can pick up 1 yrd when needed