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Rellyrell said:
Not true. Optics is everything. Shaq goes to Bama, and I guarantee Saban and his staff hides any deficiencies Shaq may have, and plus he will be on a winning program. Shaq plays for Bama and bet money he goes no lower than 2nd round.
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Michael Sam was SEC All Conference, All American, etc and was drafted 7th round

If Michael Sam was on Alabama he would have been picked 2nd round?
 
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Rellyrell said:
Amik Robertson from LA Tech just got drafted in the 4th round and is Bandy's height.

AND he has hip issues. Maybe it's b/c LA Tech just smoked us and won 10+ games.
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Robertson has had the highest CB grade of anyone in the NFL draft by PFF so yeah if they’re similar but ones production is much better

Also it’s the 4th round, you shouldn’t be declaring early I you’re getting drafted 4th round
 
Rellyrell said:
Not true. Optics is everything. Shaq goes to Bama, and I guarantee Saban and his staff hides any deficiencies Shaq may have, and plus he will be on a winning program. Shaq plays for Bama and bet money he goes no lower than 2nd round.
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Disagree. Alabama isn’t going to change up a scheme or defense to hide one player’s deficiencies. They’ll just plug in a better player. Where did you come up with this?

@The Franchise is right. This lack of development trope, started and promoted by one of founders here, is just message board nonsense.

Put any of our drafted players on any other team of the last 10-15/years, even the top ones, and they get drafted more less in the same place. Maybe you can find a rare exception like Chick who was forced to play out of position and pack on 60 LBs of fat. But that’s an exception, not the rule.

Our problems aren’t that complicated, lack of recruiting top tier talent (thereby lower draft choices in the NFL) and poor coaching (even with our mid-tier talent we should be winning the Coarstal every other year, at least)
 
I keep hearing “players aren’t being developed” but nobody says what “development” is. Is it just players getting better? Are they not “developing” because the coaches aren’t using the right drills in practice? Is there some secret practice technique that our staff just hasn’t heard of?
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Disagree. Alabama isn’t going to change up a scheme or defense to hide one player’s deficiencies. They’ll just plug in a better player. Where did you come up with this?

@The Franchise is right. This lack of development trope, started and promoted by one of founders here, is just message board nonsense.

Put any of our drafted players on any other team of the last 10-15/years, even the top ones, and they get drafted more less in the same place. Maybe you can find a rare exception like Chick who was forced to play out of position and pack on 60 LBs of fat. But that’s an exception, not the rule.

Our problems aren’t that complicated, lack of recruiting top tier talent (thereby lower draft choices in the NFL) and poor coaching (even with our mid-tier talent we should be winning the Coarstal every other year, at least)
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We’ll agree to disagree. There’s a reason y Bama players look all world in school, and get exposed butt naked at the next level. (Although that’s starting to die down a lot)
 
DTP said:
I keep hearing “players aren’t being developed” but nobody says what “development” is. Is it just players getting better? Are they not “developing” because the coaches aren’t using the right drills in practice? Is there some secret practice technique that our staff just hasn’t heard of?
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Development:
1. Football IQ development.
2. Making leaps from Frosh to Sophomore to Junior to Senior yrs.
3. Techniques refined
4. Conditioning
 
Rellyrell said:
Development:
1. Football IQ development.
2. Making leaps from Frosh to Sophomore to Junior to Senior yrs.
3. Techniques refined
4. Conditioning
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Ok so what specifically are our coaches not doing that every other coach in the whole world seems to be doing to make those improvements? What’s the “development” juice?
 
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ball915 said:
with Dayton and Charlotte having players drafted before us. Rumph, Patke, Banda, Diaz have been with that group for all 4 of their years which should tell us something about their development skills. The record of 6-7 with bad losses to Duke, FIU and La Tech aren't as surprising when 100+ picks have passed with 0 players being selected. Tack that on to our highest pick the previous year in the 4th round (S. Redwine) and the prior year to our highest pick being a 3rd rounder (C. Thomas) and the writing is on the wall. If you still question it, ask yourself who on defense do we feel overly optimistic about that will be a 1st or 2nd day draft pick that we've seen this core staff develop?
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I keep reading on this site that our talent is top level. What’s the disconnect?
 
The Sphinx said:
Yeah, this ain't all on the coaching and development. You can only do so much with marginal talent. Some guys may be late bloomers and you'll get lucky, but you can't bank on that consistently.

I'll actually give our development guys their due because each year we end up with average talent guys who somehow make it into the league and actually contribute. That's due to hard work and determination.

Gotta land the blue chip guys who have talent jumping off the screen. Straight up physical freaks. And the last physical freak we've had who was special was David Njoku. I think Rousseau can be our next special talent who has a chance at going 1st Round, but we've got to do better about getting guys with NFL potential.
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Gotta evaluate better.
 
The Franchise said:
There are so many great prospects and so much data out there if you're a 5'8 CB with average speed and short arms your chance of being a high draft pick are nearly nonexistent.

Look at the D2 kid from Lenoir Rhyme who went high. He didn't go high because he got "developed" by his D2 coaches. His D2 coaches don't have some secret development sauce. He went high because he physically developed into a prototypical Safety. Same reason Greg Rousseau will be a top draft pick.

There's no such thing as selective development skills by position coaches. Stroud didn't "develop" Rousseau but couldn't "develop" Garvin.
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Thank you.

i have been saying this since the Clappy era.
 
The Franchise said:
It's less about development and more about us signing guys who have good talent but are small or light or not all that physically imposing. Take a guy like Bandy. A guy with his measurables is never going to be a high pick. Doesn't mean he can't be a good player, but he's tiny with short arms and not incredibly fast.

Jeff Thomas is 170 pounds, short, isn't all that fast, and has a gigantic list of off field knocks. Again, he can be productive at times, but he stood no chance of being drafted all that highly. Compare his profile to the guys who did get picked in the first or second. No comparison, and it has nothing to do with development. This whole development thing is always overplayed by fans.
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Yep.

We have been recruiting poorly for ages. Bad assessment of our needs, bad understanding of what type of kids to look for, bad assessment of kids against the foregoing, bad pruoritization during recruiting, bad selling, bad closing, bad back up plans.

It’s fine to take good kids who don’t translate to the NFL, btw. We judt don’t have a clear strategy for recruiting and roster management, and haven’t for ages.
 
Rellyrell said:
Not true. Optics is everything. Shaq goes to Bama, and I guarantee Saban and his staff hides any deficiencies Shaq may have, and plus he will be on a winning program. Shaq plays for Bama and bet money he goes no lower than 2nd round.
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Lmaoooooo. You ‘guarantee’ this? Wow.
 
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DTP said:
Ok so what specifically are our coaches not doing that every other coach in the whole world seems to be doing to make those improvements? What’s the “development” juice?
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Number One, our coaches are not teachers of the game.
Number two, our coaches are not disciplinarians either on or off the field
Number three, our coaches are not leaders

So if our coaches don't know wtf they are doing, how will our players develop? We had a Athletic Director who wasn't even certified, and follow that up with Athletic Director who wasn't even present during morning workouts. Come on man, this can't be a serious question.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Michael Sam wasn’t stopping mid play in the NFL to suck dlcks. He just didn’t have NFL caliber type talent.
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No. Michael Sam's situation came at a time where the sensitivity to a man's personal sexual preference was not tolerated and it made many locker rooms uncomfortable. He says nothing, and he gets drafted within the first 4 rounds, period.
 
but let the board and Twitter canes tell it all our players were better than all fsu and uf (and fiu and fau) players that were drafted before them.
All these years y’all hyped these kids up like they were studs and this draft shows just how wrong y’all are and horribly coached this team is.
Has nothing to do with size and measurables and everything to do with the media and social media “pundits” telling them they’re better than what they are.
 
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