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🚨🚨 ¡ MIKE RUMPH ! 🚨🚨
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Scorpioncane
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Wrong, 3 different positions and 3 different coaches! Rumph- corners, patke- strikers, banda- safeties!
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Y’all still take me too seriously.
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Since it looks like Inday is cleaning out/rearranging the closets...
Rumph started coaching at UM in 2016.
Rumph's recruiting/talent in the passing defense:
2016 - UM's recruiting was not good (just got Rivals/247 4-star S Romeo Finley)
2017 - got a bit better (Rivals/247 4-star CB Trajan Bandy and 4-star transfer CB Jhavonte Dean)
2018 - was a lot better (Rivals/247 4-stars CB Frierson, S Hall, and CB Blades, and 247 4-star CB Ivey)
2019 - had lower numbers but we got a couple (Rivals/247 4-stars CB Williams & S Smith and 247 4-star CB Couch)
2020 - was great for quality and quantity (Rivals/247 4-stars S Harrell, CB Dunson, and S Williams and Rivals 4-star S Washington).
I realize those names include safeties, but there is some overlap, and if a coach was such a poisonous person and recruiter (see, generally, Greg Knox at UiF), you would expect to see guys transferring out in greater numbers.
Rumph's coaching:
2016 - #47 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
2017 - #56 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
2018 - #1 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
2019 - #18 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
Rumph's NFL draft results:
2017 - 5th round CB Corn Elder (coached by Rumph for 1 year)
2017 - 7th round CB Adrian Colbert (coached by Rumph for 1 year)
2017 - Miami had 9 total draftees: 1 first-rounder (TE Njoku), 1 fourth-rounder (S Jenkins), 2 fifth-rounders, 2 sixth-rounders, 3 seventh-rounders
2018 - no DBs drafted
2018 - Miami had 6 total draftees: 1 third-rounder (DE Thomas), 2 fourth-rounders (TE Herndon, RB Walton), 1 fifth-rounder, 1 sixth-rounder, 1 seventh-rounder
2019 - 5th round CB Mike Jackson (coached by Rumph for 3 years)
2019 - 6th round CB Jaquan Jackson (coached by Rumph for 3 years)
2019 - Miami had 5 total draftees: 1 fourth-rounder (S Redwine), 2 fifth-rounders, and 2 sixth-rounders
2020 - no DBs drafted
2020 - Miami had 4 total draftees: 2 fourth-rounders (LB Quaterman, RB Dallas), 1 fifth-rounder, 1 seventh-rounder
--------4 CBs drafted out of 24 total draftees from 2017-2020 (plus 2 safeties)
I'm not evaluating this on the basis of "Rumph is a Cane" or "Rumph is the devil" biases. Looking purely at the stats and objective evidence, it looks like:
---Rumph is not the greatest recruiter, but the last 2+ years for talent (even if he is not the lead recruiter) have gone better than the first 2 years
---Rumph, as a person, is not disliked by his players (in the form of transfers out) and his reputation has not "run off" all blue-chip kids, though we certainly appear to have lost some 4-star/5-star talent in the first 2 years
---Rumph, as a coach, has produced good statistical results, with the last 2 years being better than the first 2 years
---Rumph, as a developer, has coached 4 drafted CBs (2 Round 5s, a 6, and a 7) during a time when Miami has had 24 players drafted; and of the 24 players drafted, only 8 went in rounds above all the CBs (Rounds 1-4) and 2 of those were safeties (and 2 were TEs and 2 were RBs)
---Rumph, overall, when recruiting, coaching, and developing the passing defense, is producing better results than QB, OL, WR, LB, and K/P position groups, and is on a par with RB and TE and DL position groups.
But, hey, even in the face of all of that objective data, we are still going to have people screaming to "Fire Rumph" and telling us about all those CBs that we missed out on 4 years ago.
Oh, and let's not pretend like all these safeties are coming to UM to be position-coached by Banda.
Rumph started coaching at UM in 2016.
Rumph's recruiting/talent in the passing defense:
2016 - UM's recruiting was not good (just got Rivals/247 4-star S Romeo Finley)
2017 - got a bit better (Rivals/247 4-star CB Trajan Bandy and 4-star transfer CB Jhavonte Dean)
2018 - was a lot better (Rivals/247 4-stars CB Frierson, S Hall, and CB Blades, and 247 4-star CB Ivey)
2019 - had lower numbers but we got a couple (Rivals/247 4-stars CB Williams & S Smith and 247 4-star CB Couch)
2020 - was great for quality and quantity (Rivals/247 4-stars S Harrell, CB Dunson, and S Williams and Rivals 4-star S Washington).
I realize those names include safeties, but there is some overlap, and if a coach was such a poisonous person and recruiter (see, generally, Greg Knox at UiF), you would expect to see guys transferring out in greater numbers.
Rumph's coaching:
2016 - #47 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
2017 - #56 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
2018 - #1 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
2019 - #18 ranked passing defense (yards allowed per game) per NCAA
Rumph's NFL draft results:
2017 - 5th round CB Corn Elder (coached by Rumph for 1 year)
2017 - 7th round CB Adrian Colbert (coached by Rumph for 1 year)
2017 - Miami had 9 total draftees: 1 first-rounder (TE Njoku), 1 fourth-rounder (S Jenkins), 2 fifth-rounders, 2 sixth-rounders, 3 seventh-rounders
2018 - no DBs drafted
2018 - Miami had 6 total draftees: 1 third-rounder (DE Thomas), 2 fourth-rounders (TE Herndon, RB Walton), 1 fifth-rounder, 1 sixth-rounder, 1 seventh-rounder
2019 - 5th round CB Mike Jackson (coached by Rumph for 3 years)
2019 - 6th round CB Jaquan Jackson (coached by Rumph for 3 years)
2019 - Miami had 5 total draftees: 1 fourth-rounder (S Redwine), 2 fifth-rounders, and 2 sixth-rounders
2020 - no DBs drafted
2020 - Miami had 4 total draftees: 2 fourth-rounders (LB Quaterman, RB Dallas), 1 fifth-rounder, 1 seventh-rounder
--------4 CBs drafted out of 24 total draftees from 2017-2020 (plus 2 safeties)
I'm not evaluating this on the basis of "Rumph is a Cane" or "Rumph is the devil" biases. Looking purely at the stats and objective evidence, it looks like:
---Rumph is not the greatest recruiter, but the last 2+ years for talent (even if he is not the lead recruiter) have gone better than the first 2 years
---Rumph, as a person, is not disliked by his players (in the form of transfers out) and his reputation has not "run off" all blue-chip kids, though we certainly appear to have lost some 4-star/5-star talent in the first 2 years
---Rumph, as a coach, has produced good statistical results, with the last 2 years being better than the first 2 years
---Rumph, as a developer, has coached 4 drafted CBs (2 Round 5s, a 6, and a 7) during a time when Miami has had 24 players drafted; and of the 24 players drafted, only 8 went in rounds above all the CBs (Rounds 1-4) and 2 of those were safeties (and 2 were TEs and 2 were RBs)
---Rumph, overall, when recruiting, coaching, and developing the passing defense, is producing better results than QB, OL, WR, LB, and K/P position groups, and is on a par with RB and TE and DL position groups.
But, hey, even in the face of all of that objective data, we are still going to have people screaming to "Fire Rumph" and telling us about all those CBs that we missed out on 4 years ago.
Oh, and let's not pretend like all these safeties are coming to UM to be position-coached by Banda.
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Yeah, they all meet in three separate rooms, have three separate game plans, and have three separate white boards. Quarantined from each other. Never talk. Can't drink the same Gatorade. Separate turnover chains for each unit.
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So what you are really saying is, Baker is the weakest link?
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Are we talking about different Brian Dawkinseses?
Brian Patrick Dawkins Sr. (born October 13, 1973) is a former American football safety who played 16 seasons in the National Football League (NFL), primarily with the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Scorpioncane
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Well, ur doing the same thing with out info to back u up! Your giving us ur opinion as if its facts, so who cares that other teams have 1 db coach,its not us so what's ur point? both safeties and cornerbacks are getting coached up here.
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Bruh, I love this website 
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Perhaps where he was weak, he just needed his brother's backing all along. Just a thought.
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Oops I was thinking Brian Westbrook.
Scorpioncane
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How do u know that they don't? Tightends have there own room why wouldn't cb's or safeties have there own?
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Ed Reed is not involved in JM's recruitment, it's Banda, Rumph & DVD.Perhaps where he was weak, he just needed his brother's backing all along. Just a thought.
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If he's not that great of a recruiter which seems to be the issue here (I personally don't know for sure but I've seen and read somethings from recruits to suggest maybe he does have an issue) then you have to commend Diaz for realizing this and keeping him away. I've been hard on Diaz but atleast he's made this and some other changes. Hopefully rumph takes it like man and works on this shortcoming.
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