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Calvin said:
And for you, nothing that makes sense never does to you, but if you start carrying around a pen and notepad tbere might just be hope for you after all!
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“Nothing that makes sense never does to you.”

Do I have to say it? Yea, guess I do.....
That doesn’t make sense either
 
1mg of Epi said:
Oh yea, I’ve also taken advantage of second chances. Third chances, too.

I do tho think it’s perfectly reasonable for manny to get the hate he does....

In someways it’s because of his predecessors. We’ve had a string of bad coaches here. For two decades. So when manny starts out Midway thru year 1 even worse than any of those guys did, the “here we go again” vibe kicks right in. And surely enough, there we went again.

Throw in a couple inexcusable losses, including the single most embarrassing loss in program history (to a crosstown school, no less) and you’ve got a fanbase that isn’t wrong to not want to see anymore.....if manny can’t beat fiu with the talent level he has, than who can he beat?

Now consider his handling of the offense. He promised one thing and gave us the exact opposite. And in doing so, he took a historically bad UM offense and somehow made it worse. By not forcing some change when it became obvious the status quo wasn’t working, the fan base just saw a continuation of golden and richt. No thank you.

In some ways manny also brought this on himself. Touchdown chain, touchdown rings, big talk, crashing a rivals meeting, Showing up in a yacht. He came in here and set the expectation that this team would be something that he just couldn’t deliver on. It’d be one thing If manny at the outset tempered expectations and then fell flat on his face. Instead what he did made the fall even harder.

Now consider the fact that this loud, obnoxious, angry know it all of a fan base, whose been hammering coaches for 2 decades.... has been right. Every. Single. Time. Whether we’re talking about Goldens D, Richts O, assistant coaches, etc. Those hate spewing fans have been right every time, calling outcomes years in advance. The “boot lickers”, who so self righteously lecture the rest of the fan base on their behavior, and blame results on players, or NCAA or whatever else... have been wrong. Every. Single. Time.

**** I can’t believe I just typed that much .
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LOLOL all good , I rather have this good insight showing you care ,hate to see this happening.
Same here just a shame upsetting.

SLOW CLAP 👏 Thank you brother , please keep sharing I look forward it.
 
Hurracanes said:
I like Chris but he has an agenda towards the fans. He uses words such as entitled instead of demand. If Miami had a bigger fan base then Miami fans would be viewed differently. Red Sox and Yankee fans demand a good product or championships and are considered good fans.

Harry is a major *** kisser so he will defend any staff to the bitter end. Hence, why I don’t buy from Allcanes any longer.
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Harry sold AllCanes to Follett (UM Bookstore owner).

Just FYI.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Harry sold AllCanes to Follett (UM Bookstore owner).

Just FYI.
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Yes, I know but he still works there and wants to be in good with the higher ups. Which is fine. I just despise how he handles fans and the politics online. He should learn from our good friends at Canes Wear and not say anything.
 
Ethnicsands said:
This is a bizarre take on the past. Whether you agree or not with SFBay’s premise that Butch would have benefitted from the modern environment, there’s really no point in telling us how awful he’d have been if the past were different. He did what he did in the real world, competing with the tools he and others had.

What everyone seems to miss understand about Butch was it wasn’t ‘recruiting’ so much as EVALUATIONS. The man was as good as anyone, ever (right there with JJ) at evals. The idea the world all would have identified those kids is false. The nfl all pro roster today is full of kids from far flung places. The camps identify a few traits more consistently than in years past. Those traits are not coextensive with the things Butch was screening for.
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When I went back and re-read SF's post after commenting it seemed to me to likely be a troll, so wasting a lot of breath on it one way or another seems like a waste of time.

But since were all on here to waste time anyway, genuine or not the original post was a counterfactual re: how fans would have reacted to Butch & his program rebuild today given modern internet & scouting services. So it's perfectly fair to bring up other ways the modern recruiting landscape has changed significantly since Butch's Miami time, and how those changes would have made the things that made Butch great - like finding about a dozen unheralded or under-scouted future pro bowlers, or being scrappy with scholarships under devastating sanctions, not to mention whatever shady stuff we don't know about - considerably more difficult. I'm certainly not disagreeing with you re: his evaluating abilities, and maybe if it all happened today Butch would be just as successful. All I'm saying is that the modern internet and the transparency, 24 hour take cycle, rumor mill, fan forums, recruiting services & increased competition that it has enabled would have made it an order of magnitude harder to achieve.

Anyway, take issue with historical "what ifs" all you want - I agree they're kind of pointless and rarely that instructive - but "he did what he did in the real world with the tools he had at the time" applies equally to SF's post as well. It is what it is and it was what it was and whatever bull**** takes I or anyone else has on the matter are just opinions.
 
CaneintheWilderness said:
When I went back and re-read SF's post after commenting it seemed to me to likely be a troll, so wasting a lot of breath on it one way or another seems like a waste of time.

But since were all on here to waste time anyway, genuine or not the original post was a counterfactual re: how fans would have reacted to Butch & his program rebuild today given modern internet & scouting services. So it's perfectly fair to bring up other ways the modern recruiting landscape has changed significantly since Butch's Miami time, and how those changes would have made the things that made Butch great - like finding about a dozen unheralded or under-scouted future pro bowlers, or being scrappy with scholarships under devastating sanctions, not to mention whatever shady stuff we don't know about - considerably more difficult. I'm certainly not disagreeing with you re: his evaluating abilities, and maybe if it all happened today Butch would be just as successful. All I'm saying is that the modern internet and the transparency, 24 hour take cycle, rumor mill, fan forums, recruiting services & increased competition that it has enabled would have made it an order of magnitude harder to achieve.

Anyway, take issue with historical "what ifs" all you want - I agree they're kind of pointless and rarely that instructive - but "he did what he did in the real world with the tools he had at the time" applies equally to SF's post as well. It is what it is and it was what it was and whatever bull**** takes I or anyone else has on the matter are just opinions.
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I don’t really care about the what if either way.

My point is Butch was the goat evaluator, and much of what he was evaluating was inside a kid, not revealed by a tape measure. And those skills are every bit as valuable today as ever before. Maybe moreso, because the pool of kids to screen is so much larger.

at the end of the day, the roster remains 85 kids, so evals matter every bit as much now as then. which kids do you take, who do you avoid.
 
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