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You’re arguing we shouldn’t judge a person’s recruiting based on what players they recruited. You should go out on this post. Good luck this year.

Huh? I never said anything about 4* or 5* players, so I have no idea why you’re babbling about that? You said Utah’s WRs sucked. They sucked before, during, and after Stubblefield. So he shouldn’t get the blame for that. He can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. That’s fair enough...

So the receivers sucked when he was there. That certainly doesn't help his cause, at best it just shouldn't be used against him since he didn't recruit them. Seeing as the Utah receiver core apparently sucked so much due to the horrible talent the previous WR coach brought in, and since you...

Nothing else you wrote struck me as funny, let alone having any substance.

Too many people saying, "What do you expect him to do, get 5* receivers at Utah?" No, and I'm not judging him by that. He didn't get sh*t at Utah. We actually have Utah reporters saying he didn't get sh*t while at Utah. What's more, he didn't develop a recruiting reputation anywhere. You...

I like that you know enough about "Desperate Housewives" for this thread to remind you of "Desperate Housewives."

But he is bad at recruiting. After 8 years in the industry, your recruiting is no longer an "unknown." People keep wanting to pretend like because he's never done anything on the recruiting trail, that isn't evidence that he can't do anything on the recruiting trail. But it is. And there...

If we hired a guy whose system is so complicated it can't be taught to a new WR coach, but instead we need to go to the Island of Misfit WR Coaches to find somebody familiar with it, that's a bigger indictment than the WR coach himself.

Did it? I agree that in terms of teachers, the defensive side turned out to be fine. But anybody arguing there aren't talent acquisition concerns from the defensive side of the ball, is being willfully blind.

But then you do get the general argument. As you said, practically speaking, it's very difficult to get guys that are really good at both recruiting and teaching, for every position. So frequently, sacrifices need to be made. Logically, it's easy to see why you would sacrifice having an...

I hope not. If he really was like that at Utah, then that's who he was at CMU. And that's who Enos identified as being a "good" WR coach. If anything, I'm hoping the article is just flat out wrong instead of it being right but he's "changed." Because then, what the **** would there to even...

So there are people who think the offensive system is so complicated, we need to hire WR coaches with specialized knowledge of it in order to help teach the WRs? I really hope that isn’t true for a whole other list of reasons.

I can't tell if this is meant to make the Stubblefield hire look better or worse? Jon had no experience, but at least one could then argue he hadn't proved he wasn't very good. You had to take the "wait and see" approach others are arguing in this thread. Stubblefield has years of...

I asked you, on the whole, which positions tend to lean towards recruiting? You apparently don't have a view on that at all, it's all context. Which is fine. That can be true. But I'm really seeing you provide any context to this staff. Your position seems to be: Look, WR coaches don't...

Or maybe there isn't a common denominator because one poster isn't another poster so the logic one poster used isn't the logic of another? I don't know, I guess that might be stretch, but it's what I usually employ when quoting a specific post and responding to that specific post. And my...

If WR isn't one of the primary recruiting spots, which ones are? Don't you think there's a reason why OCs tend to be QB and OL Coaches, and not RB and WR Coaches?

That's fine. It's like people don't understand the point. This guy might be the greatest WR technician in the history of WR Coaches. I'll more than concede that's possible. But anybody arguing that he's suppose to be this elite WR teacher, is just being dishonest. There's no evidence for...

We literally just tried to do that with Richt and everybody cheered it.

What? LuCane’s point was: isn’t this guy supposed to be an amazing teacher of WRs? There is, once again, zerooooooo evidence for that. Maybe he is. You could be right. But that certainly isn’t his reputation.

But your evidence is a supposed amazing interview. My post: there is no evidence he has a great reputation as teacher of WRs. You: yeah, well, what if he blew Manny away with his knowledge? You understand how this supposed private interview isn’t actual evidence, right?