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  1. OriginalGatorHater

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    It did bring massive awareness of the topic. Prior to this the vast majority of people had no idea(or turned a blind eye) about police brutality. Awareness is important. This is why they had breast cancer awareness, ALS awareness, etc. Obviously we don't expect it to actually end the brutality...
  2. OriginalGatorHater

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    Well said. Sadly we do not all want the same though. There are plenty of people that support police brutality.
  3. OriginalGatorHater

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    Like I said before people will find a reason to get offended no matter what they do. Just because you for some strange reason think kneeling during the pledge is disrespectful for the vets doesn't mean they should stop doing it. They could kneel during the coin toss and people will start talking...
  4. OriginalGatorHater

    OT Hard knocks Cleveland Browns

    Agreed 100%.
  5. OriginalGatorHater

    OT Hard knocks Cleveland Browns

    They need to figure out a way to get it across without having an easy excuse for people to get mad. They should all kneel during the coin toss or something to bring attention to the cause without "offending" anyone.
  6. OriginalGatorHater

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    The problem is calling someone a racist is the worst way to go about trying to get someone to join your side in an argument. All it does is reinforce their original opinion. It is a sad fact, but if we want something to be done about the brutality we need as many white people on our side as...
  7. OriginalGatorHater

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    Anyone can percieve any statement any which way they like. I could say "I love America" and someone could perceive it as "**** the vets". It is impossible to do anything that wont offend someone.
  8. OriginalGatorHater

    OT Hard knocks Cleveland Browns

    Believe me I know. These type of guys will try and find any reason to disparage the protestors. They use the pledge as an excuse to hide their true motives. Like I said. They could protest a million different ways and the opposition will find a million different reasons for why they are...
  9. OriginalGatorHater

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    I know all about racism in the past. Irish, Italians, Greeks, ******, etc. where all abused in the past. It may even still be going on, I am not sure so I will not speak on it. However, I don't really see how that pertains here. I do stand for the pledge of allegiance at games. I stood when I...
  10. OriginalGatorHater

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    Obviously I am not a vet, but the statement I made was what I was told by numerous vets. Not my opinion. No where do I claim I speak for vets or as a vet. You are also speaking in all anecdotes as well. So the vets feelings need to be respected, but peoples lives don't need to be. Got it. Makes...
  11. OriginalGatorHater

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    Not really. I am the son of a vet and a large portion of the people on the block I grew up on are vets. None of them felt offended by what Kap or the other players where doing. I am sure part of it has to do with the fact that they are actually affected by it where as a vet from the country...
  12. OriginalGatorHater

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    I agree with the sentiment. The point that you are missing is that everybody knows civ on civ violence is bad. No one wants gangs to kill innocent people. There are even groups(the police, sherrifs, FBI, etc.) to stop these gangs from committing violence. On the other hand no one cares that cops...
  13. OriginalGatorHater

    OT Hard knocks Cleveland Browns

    You have nothing to worry about if you are white. I finished the quote for you. Black, spanish, brown, even poor white kids gets harassed, locked up, or killed every day for doing nothing wrong.
  14. OriginalGatorHater

    OT Hard knocks Cleveland Browns

    How is kneeling during the pledge telling veterans to go **** themselves? It was a vet that recomended that Kap start kneeling. Not only that, but those vets fought for their right to peacefully protest. If you want to live in a country like North Korea that forces people to pledge then that is...
  15. OriginalGatorHater

    OT Hard knocks Cleveland Browns

    Do you realize they kneel to bring attention to police brutality not to disrespect the flag or the military?
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