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I'm not, just pointing out that the 2 biggest reasons we lost to VT and UNC specifically have been fixed. For the last 10 years everyone has been *****ing about winning the games we're supposed to win and this year we are doing that, with 4 of the 5 by double digits, yet so many fans still want...

And you're missing my point. Flat or not, we lost VT and UNC due to QB play and poor kicking game...both those problems have been fixed. Don't agree we came out flat against VT, but our QB spotting them 21 points would make any team look flat. Yes, against UNC we came out flat.

What exactly is a forced penalty?

With a bye week upon us, people constantly point to Manny's 0-4 bye week record, so I went back and looked at this: #1 vs North Carolina - lost 28-25 and we missed 2 FGs and gave up the infamous 4th and 17 #2 vs Virginia Tech - lost 42-35 and we missed the extra point that would have given us...