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I'm opposed to continued general lockdown myself, yet I agree with every word you said above. To me, they are not mutually exclusive.

That's an inaccurate and counterproductive way to look at it, brock. This has never been an analysis of life vs death; it's an analysis of death vs death. If we were facing coronavirus in a vacuum with the sole goal of limiting COVID impact as much as possible, then your statement would hold...

This thought has been haunting me for two months.

Yeah, I realize that now. Although I'll be honest, I had never heard of the term "coronavirus until this year. I was surprised when I first saw my can of lysol at home said it kills it. LOL (I know that's not COVID-19)

It's very problematic, I agree. Someone on this thread made a great point earlier about how it's tough to apply the same analysis to CFB as it is to NFL. In the pros, those players are making the decision to play and get paid - at least, you can legally argue they are. Can't say the same...

Agree. Bad sh-t all around, man, no matter how you slice it. I was just saying to the Mrs last night, how freakin mind blowing is it how this word "coronavirus" came out of absolutely nowhere a few months ago and just completely consumed our world in pretty much every manner possible. A wild...

I respect that opinion. I just wanted to point out that we weren't talking about packing students into stadiums.

The discussion is sports without fans in attendance.

I'd go with exhausting.

But my point is, what if the majority of people your mind sees as newly infected from that gathering, actually already had COVID without realizing it? That starts to unravel your entire analysis of why we can't open the country back up, right? And it's not out of the realm of possibility, at...

LOL You're killing it today, Goon.

Seriously, EVERYONE needs to chill with the personal animosity. That is precisely why the mods didn't want these threads. People can say "I disagree with your position and here's why...." without saying "You're a dumbass for having that position". Carry on...

But what if 390 of those 400 people are asymptomatic? As in, never become symptomatic. What if we looked around every public place or work environment and became aware that more than 50% of the people we see have COVID antibodies? Cast that hypothetical out everywhere in America. Then what...

Way below 1%, IMO.

Maybe. Or perhaps the effectiveness of testing and tracking doesn't apply to America the same way it does to a country like South Korea. This is a very interesting read that creates a new angle to the constant theme you hear that we'll only be able to re-open American life once we have massive...

Sure, that's valid. But it also means that is now the default position unless the situation changes, rather than the opposite and it being "no school unless things get better". That's a monumental difference, IMO.

Chill, boys, or this entire discussion will get zapped.

Well said. But what if containment was never possible even with lockdown? That's where I've now fallen on this all. I think COVID was circulating around our country WAY before we locked down and that exponentially more Americans have/have had COVID than we even remotely realize. Most that...

I don't think anybody is arguing that professional sports will immediately open with packed stadiums. That seems to be a given. The question is how long will they go without fans?

Also, this is such a fantastic example of seeing the same fact pattern through two different lenses. You state that mostly states run by a red governor are the ones opening and present it in a rather disparaging manner (i.e. they are being overly cavalier and opening before we are ready). Yet...