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I like Smith too. Fluid athlete in a big body. Hope he’s on D full time.

Venables is a Kansas guy. Believe he went to k state and is in the bill Synder tree. Think he grew up there too.

Where are all the other countless examples. My comment was the big 12, when Venables was there, isn’t the No lick of defense league it is now. Also OKLA was a pretty good F at that time too because they got a lot of studs. you proved nothing, like at all. Why would I take an L. You...

HAHHAA right i hate venables because you were wrong on your assumption and the kid you used to try and make your case. Carry on

The composite.....which are things like rivals and ESPN which everyone on this site clowns and says doesn't mean ****.....247 had him rated as a 90, 4* prospect, third best player in Kansas. Even better he was the 3rd best player in Kansas and went to the Semper Fi bowl. That is not that low...

Isaiah Simmons was a 4* rated recruit by 247 and the third best player in Kansas while also being invited to the Semper Fi bowl. That doesn't sound very lowly rated to me. Shaq lawson was a low 4 star???? That's the best you have? 3 3* kids who play in the NFL? Come on man. I've got a...

So you took 1 game from 2007 and that is your justification? Great comeback!

Who? Can you please name these low star recruits they turn into NFL draft picks on Defense?

When Texas won the NC they did it with power running and defense. Big 12 these days is all air raid all the time. However back then there were only a couple of guys doing that. OKLA had players on Defense when Venables was there.....and correct me if i'm wrong, but OKLA wasn't sad he left...

Wait....do you mean like over 10 years ago when the Big 12 was about playing defense? How about we go look at the players that were on his Top 10 D and then determine. I bet you'd be surprised