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Trying to recruit like saban given where amd what we are sure sounds like a fool’s errand to me. We get run through by UNC Like a gonzo **** scene, and we’re debating the lack of a couple top picks. A couple top picks would help. They don’t explain UNC. I’d mention FIU and La Tech but you’ll...

Well said. We have 'shiny object' syndrome. Even our fans do. We crave hope and validation and so sign kids based on those traits rather than a clear understanding of needs and priorities.

100% agreed.

Our issue has been different. Sure, more day 1 guys will help us be better. But with all those day 3 kids, why have we lost to FIU, La Tech, gotten gang raped by UNC, etc.? The answer to why we lose to crappy teams or get humiliated by okay teams isn't the lack of day 1 kids. It's scheme and...

Bingo. And our OLs have been a mess, even with a few more NFL guys than Clemson. Because OL is a unit, and you need at least 8 good ones to get through a season. We probably average less than one marginal nfl kid a year on OL, and many of the good kids we have had have been forced to play...

This answer is some mix of wrong and misleading and uninformed. None of us know what each of these programs is recruiting for. You're just speculating and projecting. You already note Clemson hasn't recruited entirely for NFL traits, and they've been a top 2 program the past 5 years. You...

This is bad data analytics. You’re confusing tail and dog. Yes, the best teams get the best players and use them well and produce nfl talent. We’re not the best or in that group. Which raises the question - what’s wrong? One thing that may be wrong if you compare us to the best teams is we...

10o% spot on

If you erode their overall talent and depth, they're miami post butch. You consistently over-focus on NFL kids. Not saying they don’t matter, but Miami is a pretty good example of how they matter and what else matters. You have to have experience, depth, unit integrity and good players beyond...

What’s clemson wothout their overall talent amd depth, including the non-nfl kids? Too much focus is put on a few kids a year being nfl prospects. It’s at best a piece of the picture. But it’s trotted around like a prop in these discussions, as of it explains so much more than it does. It’s...

We cam revisit this. I think you’re wrong. Butch is a bad example because he recruited hall of famers. The math is simple.

Two quick comments: - glad to see we're all agreeing on evaluations! - people still don't understand the old adage 'a chain is only as strong as its weakest link' - there's way too much focus on the top few kids on a roster as the leading indicator of success compared to appreciating how the...