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  1. Ethnicsands

    OT: Lewis as a LB

    butch kids were in the ‘04 and ‘05 drafts. myers was one (‘05). carey, vilma (‘04)
  2. Ethnicsands

    OT: Lewis as a LB

    armstead? at UM? nah
  3. Ethnicsands

    OT: Lewis as a LB

    there are hundreds of unheralded kids a year who star as true frosh for cfb teams? hundreds?
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    well i agree up to your big if. dsagree there, both on fundamental reasoning and complexity. even if you were right in theory, life intervenes. injuries, academics, off field. so it will never be ‘every kid’. the correlation will not be 1.0. But that just supports my second point, which...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    Yeah i jumped from ray to evals. ray was Dennis era.
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    What we need is the right kids. It doesn’t matter what they’re rated. Now they’re more likely to be rated highly because that’s the world today, but doesn’t matter either way and we should never take kids because others rat them high, or avoid because they don’t. Which kids have the desire to...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    anytime you’re looking for skill it’s got to be based on a body of data not an anecdote here or theere. luck can explain a small number trend but not more than that. i half agree half disagree re the pros. it’s important for the reason you mention but it’s a different type of eval from what...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    i was just marveling at ray’s obvious desire, not making him an eval topic. what he had, we should look for. i don’t think ray was a secret, but he was a marginal / late qualifier, a poor kid from a small school, undersized (wrestled 183 in HS), and that was before web sites etc. Nothing...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    all we have are the results. maybe lucky, but he did what he did. and even without some luck he’s so far ahead he’s still the goat imo. certainly for his era. and he was doing well at UNC also before leaving there. And he was an architect of Jimmy’s recruiting in UM and evals in Dallas. I...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    i prolly caused confusion because i didn’t give a clear segue in my post. started with ray, observed he was day 1 ready and was all desire. jumped focus to how we can find kids with that quality. referenced butch because he was the best evaluator. less bourbon woulda meant clearer...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    i leapt from lewis and desire to butch and evals. caused some confusion in the thread because as noted ray wasn’t a butch recruit in any case. but that wasn’t my point - i went from amazed at his film and seeing the desire and that it wasn’t development, just there on day one, to that meaning...
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    l odd that he played LB in our first game of his true frosh season if he came in as a S.
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    It’s all doable. That’s the thing. you have to pick the right kids and have a culture that pushes them. they won’t all become the goat but that kind of dedication will lead to winning and dominance.
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    OT: Lewis as a LB

    Just went for the heck of it and re-watched Ray Lewis UM highlights. (Also NFL.) What an amazing tackler he was. Instincts, lateral ability, can shed blockers, diagnose plays, can find ball, all great. But dammit the guy always made the play, whether it was a hit, or a wrap, or even a grab...
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